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Old March 18th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #1441
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Right now, i'm staying at hong kong, and i have visited shanghai quite a few times. As i see skyrocketing proposals and construction in these cities i feel like New York will lose the amazing place it's held in the history. I am really jealous of china. How can i cope with jealousy? The hope only left is this Nordstrom tower. Will it keep up with my hope?
May I ask why? Since the completion of the ICC (2010) Hong Kong has not seen a single skyscraper (>200m) under construction, let alone a supertall. And Shanghai? Currently two supertalls under way.

So New York is ahead of those two cities. The only city I'd be jealous of is Shenzhen, there you got massive projects popping up all over the place. Also, don't compare New York to a whole nation; and btw for western standards the city is booming².

And another thing: How come some people here see the Nordstrom Tower as some kind of salvation? I mean yeah we are all excited about the height etc., but even without this tower New York still dominates the skyscraper world. There are enough projects in the city which are equally interesting and / or important.
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Will this be the biggest building in NYC by roof height? Is there any other proposed projects bigger then this?
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Old March 18th, 2013, 09:13 PM   #1443
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Will this be the biggest building in NYC by roof height? Is there any other proposed projects bigger then this?
Yes, the roof height is 472m, the final height somewhere around 500m.
And no, as of now there's no other project which trumps 225W57th in height.
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Old March 18th, 2013, 10:19 PM   #1444
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Yes, the roof height is 472m, the final height somewhere around 500m.
And no, as of now there's no other project which trumps 225W57th in height.
well the roof height might be taller then 472m hopefully closer to 500m to the roof
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Old March 18th, 2013, 10:26 PM   #1445
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well the roof height might be taller then 472m hopefully closer to 500m to the roof

500m would be iconic. Lets get this thing going already!
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Old March 18th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #1446
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Yes, the roof height is 472m, the final height somewhere around 500m.
And no, as of now there's no other project which trumps 225W57th in height.
I'm pretty sure it is highest occupied floor @ 1550. Toss in mechanical floors + crown.
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Old March 18th, 2013, 10:46 PM   #1447
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I'm pretty sure it is highest occupied floor @ 1550. Toss in mechanical floors + crown.
I know, because of the DOB. But being most pessimistic, let's say 472m is approximately the roof height. So with some sort of crown it will be about 490m (worst case scenario).
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Yes, the roof height is 472m, the final height somewhere around 500m.
And no, as of now there's no other project which trumps 225W57th in height.
Cheers buddy

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I cant wait for this to get started. This and 432 Park Avenue going up together would be great and an awesome sight to see.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 02:21 AM   #1449
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432PA will be high in the sky when this one even comes above ground.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 03:50 AM   #1450
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And another thing: How come some people here see the Nordstrom Tower as some kind of salvation? I mean yeah we are all excited about the height etc., but even without this tower New York still dominates the skyscraper world. There are enough projects in the city which are equally interesting and / or important.
I agree that there are enough projects interesting or important but it seems like time is moving fast and has left NY behind while Dubai, Shanghai, Seoul, or even Mumbai are getting along with 500m+ towers whereas the "king of skyscrapers" has 417m roof height. I just meant the Nordstrom Tower has that potential, and right now the only hope is this very thing.

Btw hunser! My apologies to all if that's irritating to even ask but also:
Do we have hopes from Grand Central Towers?
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Old March 19th, 2013, 04:16 AM   #1451
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any pics of the project ?
Here are some renders

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Old March 19th, 2013, 04:25 AM   #1452
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Some renders I made of a roughly 500m tower at the site. Assuming 90 floors the square footage isn't to far off actual either.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/5283603...n/photostream/














As you can see it's pretty much a mash up of Tower Verre, the Hudsons Yards, and Trump Chicago which pretty much everyone seems to like.

Used sketchup models from:

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...41&prevstart=0

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...ba3009f5c44305

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...f4d7522aa87e0d

And I thought 432 would dominate the skyline
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Old March 19th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #1453
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^ Those are really nice!

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I agree that there are enough projects interesting or important but it seems like time is moving fast and has left NY behind while Dubai, Shanghai, Seoul, or even Mumbai are getting along with 500m+ towers whereas the "king of skyscrapers" has 417m roof height. I just meant the Nordstrom Tower has that potential, and right now the only hope is this very thing.

Btw hunser! My apologies to all if that's irritating to even ask but also:
Do we have hopes from Grand Central Towers?
I know what you mean, and right now New York lacks in height compared to those cities. But give it a couple of years, and the city will have at least 4 towers >400m (roof height): 1WTC, 432 PA, Nordstrom, HY North. Also, 2WTC and ESB are close to 400m (again roof height). And of course a dozen supertalls. If everything goes as planned New York will be blessed with ~20 supertalls by decade's end.

The GCT aka 1 Vanderbilt is still in the planning phase. I expect something between 1400 - 1700 feet here.

EDIT: If you take the roof height, there aren't that many towers over 400m:
1. Shanghai: SWFC + Shanghai Tower
2. Hong Kong: ICC + 2IFC
3. Dubai: Burj + Damac Heights
4. New York: 1WTC + 432 PA

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EDIT: If you take the roof height, there aren't that many towers over 400m:
1. Shanghai: SWFC + Shanghai Tower
2. Hong Kong: ICC
3. Dubai: Burj + Damac Heights
4. New York: 1WTC + 432 PA
I think HK has 2 IFC too with a roof height of 406m, anyways.
Thanks for the info about GCT!
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The very first render by Funkyskunk2 is my very best!!
Great job.
Seeing those renders i feel like (with GCT if is ever meant to be built) four supertall skyscrapers are guarding Midtown from 4 different direction at the corners of a square!!!
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Old March 19th, 2013, 04:16 PM   #1456
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The GCT aka 1 Vanderbilt is still in the planning phase. I expect something between 1400 - 1700 feet here.
Will that figure be the roof height?
I can't wait, for waiting for this one to stand in reality is like waiting to be old!OUCH!!!
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Will that figure be the roof height?
I can't wait, for waiting for this one to stand in reality is like waiting to be old!OUCH!!!
Noone knows yet, at this point everything is pure speculation. But the tower should be quite tall, since the rezoning will do wonders for the skyline. Also, 1 Vanderbilt is a prime location, so it should have a prime design and height.

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I think HK has 2 IFC too with a roof height of 406m, anyways.
Thanks for the info about GCT!
Yeah, that's right.

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Old March 19th, 2013, 07:52 PM   #1458
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3. Dubai: Burj + Damac Heights
DUBAI | DAMAC Residenze | 335m | 1099ft | 86 fl | U/C

Redesign!!!!

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Old March 19th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #1459
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Also, 1 Vanderbilt is a prime location, so it should have a prime design and height.
The rezoning is going to actually require a prime design won't it?

Also, back on topic, those mock-ups are crazy -- it totally reorients the skyline. It really is going to feel like a wall of supertalls along the southern edge of Central Park once 225 w57 and 432 Park (and to a lesser extent Tower Verre) are done. And then, yeah, another wall on the other end of Midtown with ESB and all the Hudson Yards towers.

Anything going up right in the middle to balance all that out? I guess we need to wait til the rezoning goes into effect to see. I hope that 1 Vanderbilt turns out to be the tallest yet, to create a nice symmetrical peak.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 09:30 PM   #1460
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Extell moves closer to building city's tallest spire
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March 19, 2013 1:46 p.m.

"With Tuesday's approval by the Landmarks Preservation Commission of plans to raze part of the old BF Goodrich Building on Broadway, the developer can advance its plan for a 1,550-foot spire on West 57 Street.

Extell Development Company has moved a small step closer to putting up the city's tallest spire. On Tuesday, the Landmarks Preservation Commission unanimously approved plans to demolish a section of the BF Goodrich building at 1780 Broadway. That decision will pave the way for Extell to do excavation and foundation work on its second tower on West 57th Street. The first one at One57 is currently well under way.

The new building, set to rise at 225 W. 57th St., will reach at least 1,550 feet, according to building permits, though Gary Barnett, Extell's principal, has said it could go even higher if he can assemble more air rights.

Either way, it would become the tallest building in the city, eclipsing the 1,368-foot One World Trade Center (minus its 400-foot spire) and rival developer Henry Macklowe's 1,397-foot spire at 432 Park Ave. The new tower will also stand taller than Mr. Barnett's own One57 one block over, which at 1,005 feet will be, for a time, the tallest apartment building in the city when it is completed next year.

The planned 88-story tower at 225 W. 57th St. will boast 220 apartments, a hotel on its seventh through 12th floors, and a Nordstrom department store in the base, which will have an entrance inside 1780 Broadway. Tony Mannarino, Extell's executive vice-president, said after the commission vote that he expected to receive city approvals by April or May, at which point demolition and excavation work can commence. That would take about 15 to 18 months, at which point the tower could begin to rise.

"If everything goes according to plan, we're looking to be finished in the middle of '18," Mr. Mannarino said..."
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