daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Development News Forums > Supertalls

Supertalls Discussions of projects under construction between 300-599m/1,000-1,999ft tall.
» Proposed Supertalls



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old March 25th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #1541
Amastroi2017
The Power Of Roof Height
 
Amastroi2017's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 308
Likes (Received): 112

If you go back to the comment I made, all I stated was the towers around the world that are likely to have taller and/or similar roof heights to this tower. Nowhere in my comment was a debate on city versus city or sovereign state versus sovereign state.

RobertWalpole is the one who took my comment and for some reason turned it into a debate on world powers and strength of sovereign states around the world. Germantower also didn't help with his comment assuming I'm obsessed with 600 meter towers. Honestly if you aren't a fan of them then SSC really isn't for you.
__________________
World Goal: 400 buildings 1,000+ feet in roof height and 1,000 buildings 800+ feet in roof height by the year 2050.


spectre000 liked this post
Amastroi2017 no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old March 25th, 2013, 07:07 PM   #1542
BeLogical
BANNED
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 186
Likes (Received): 99

You can be a fan of logical construction and city planning and still be happy on SSC, as long as you stay out of threads concerning Arab or Chinese construction.
BeLogical no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 25th, 2013, 08:26 PM   #1543
Vertical_Gotham
Registered User
 
Vertical_Gotham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 4,437
Likes (Received): 6488

Premises: 217 WEST 57 STREET MANHATTAN:

03/25/2013
PROVIDE PARTIAL EXCAVATION AND FOUNDATION WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH NB 1213
Work on Floor(s): CEL



Last Action: APPLICATION PROCESSED - ENTIRE 03/25/2013 (D)

Pre-Filed: 03/22/2013 Building Type: Other Estimated Total Cost: $100.00
Date Filed: 03/25/2013 Electronically Filed: Yes
Fee Structure: STANDARD
Review is requested under Building Code: 2008 Hub Job ‡: Yes
Job Description Comments

1 Location Information (Filed At)
House No(s): 217 Street Name: WEST 57TH STREET
Borough: Manhattan Block: 1029 Lot: 19 BIN: 1080870 CB No: 105
Work on Floor(s): CEL Apt/Condo No(s): Zip Code: 10019

2 Applicant of Record Information
Name: AHMED RAHIMIAN
Business Name: WSP CANTOR SEINUK STRUCTURAL ENG Business Phone: 212-687-9888
Business Address: 228 EAST 45TH STREET NEW YORK NY 10017 Business Fax: 646-487-5501
E-Mail: [email protected] Mobile Telephone:
License Number: 065537
Applicant Type: P.E. R.A Sign Hanger Other

Directive 14 Applicant
Not Provided
Previous Applicant of Record
Not Applicable

3 Filing Representative
Name: GARLING / STARR MOY / SALAZAR
Business Name: CONSTRUCTION CONSULTING ASSOCIAT Business Phone: 212-385-1818
Business Address: 100 CHURCH STREET SUITE 850 NEW YORK NY 10007 Business Fax:
E-Mail: [email protected] Mobile Telephone:
Registration Number:

4 Filing Status
Click Here to View

5 Job Types
Alteration Type 1 New Building
Change in Exits/Egress
Change in Number of Stories Alteration Type 2 Full Demolition
Change in Number of Dwelling Units Alteration Type 3 Subdivision: Improved
Change in Room Count / Dwelling Units Sign Subdivision: Condo
Change in Occupancy / Use
Change inconsistent with current Cert. of Occup.
Alteration Type 1, OT "No Work" Directive 14 acceptance requested? Yes No

6 Work Types
BL - Boiler FA - Fire Alarm FB - Fuel Burning FS - Fuel Storage
FP - Fire Suppression MH - Mechanical PL - Plumbing SD - Standpipe
SP - Sprinkler EQ - Construction Equipment CC - Curb Cut
OT - EXCAV AND FDTN

7 Plans/Construction Documents Submitted
Plans Page Count: Not Provided

8 Additional Information
Enlargement proposed?
No Yes Horizontal Vertical

9 Additional Considerations, Limitations or Restrictions
Yes No
Structural peer review required per BC §1627 Peer Reviewer License No.(P.E.):
Filed to Comply with Local Law Local Law No./Year:
Other, Specify:
Restrictive Declaration / Easement
Zoning Exhibit Record (I,II,III,etc)
Landmark
Filed to Address Violation(s)
Legalization
"Little E" Hazmat Site
Unmapped Street Yes No
Adult Establishment Included in LMCCC
Compensated Development (Inclusionary Housing) Infill Zoning
Low Income Housing (Inclusionary Housing) Loft Board
Single Room Occupancy (SRO) Multiple Dwelling Quality Housing
Filing includes Lot Merger / Reapportionment (If Yes,17)
Includes permanent removal of standpipe, sprinkler or fire suppression related systems
Work includes partial demolition as defined in AC §28-101.5
Structural Stability affected by proposed work
Work includes lighting fixture and/or controls, installation or replacement. [§ECC 404 and 505]
Site Safety Job / Project

BSA Calendar No.(s):
CPC Calendar No.(s):

10 NYCECC Compliance New York City Energy Conservation Code (Applicant Statement)
To the best of my knowledge, belief and professional judgment, this application is in compliance with the NYCECC.
Energy analysis is on another job number:
Yes No

This application is, or is part of, a project that utilizes trade-offs among different major systems

This application utilizes trade-offs within a single major system

To the best of my knowledge, belief and professional judgment, all work under this application is exempt from the NYCECC in accordance with one of the following:
The work is an alteration of State or National historic building.
The scope of work is entirely in a low-energy building and is limited to the building envelope.
The scope of work does not affect the energy use of the building.
This is a post-approval amendment and exempt under a prior edition of the energy code.

11 Job Description
PROVIDE PARTIAL EXCAVATION AND FOUNDATION WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH NB 121328205, AS PER PLANS FILED. NO CHANGE IN USE, OCCUPANCY, OR EGRESS.
Related BIS Job Numbers: 121328205
Primary application Job Number: 121328205

12 Zoning Characteristics
District(s): C5-1 - RESTRICTED CENTRAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT C5-3 - RESTRICTED CENTRAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT C6-6 - GENERAL CENTRAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT
Overlay(s):
Special District(s): MID - MIDTOWN
Map No.: 8c Street legal width (ft.): Street status: Public Private
Zoning lot includes the following tax lots: Not Provided
13 Building Characteristics

2008 Code Designations?
Occupancy Classification: Existing: R-2 - RESIDENTIAL: APARTMENT HOUSES Yes No
Proposed: R-2 - RESIDENTIAL: APARTMENT HOUSES Yes No
Construction Classification: Existing: I-B: 2 HOUR PROTECTED - NON-COMBUST Yes No
Proposed: I-B: 2 HOUR PROTECTED - NON-COMBUSTI Yes No
Multiple Dwelling Classification: Existing: HAEA
Proposed: HAEA
Building Height (ft.): Existing: 1550
Proposed: 1550
Building Stories: Existing: 88
Proposed: 88
Dwelling Units: Existing: 233
Proposed: 233

Mixed use building? Yes No

14 Fill
Not Applicable Off-Site On-Site Under 300 cubic yards

15 Construction Equipment
Chute Sidewalk Shed Construction Material: PLYWOOD
Fence Size: linear ft. BSA/MEA Approval No.:
Supported Scaffold Other

16 Curb Cut Description
Not Applicable

17 Tax Lot Characteristics
Not Provided

18 Fire Protection Equipment
Not Applicable

19 Open Spaces

20 Site Characteristics
Yes No Yes No
Tidal / Fresh Water Wetlands Fire District
Urban Renewal Flood Hazard Area

21 Demolition Details
Not Applicable

22 Asbestos Abatement Compliance
The scope of work requires related asbestos abatement as defined in the regulations of the NYC Department of Environmental Protection (DEP).
The scope of work does not require related asbestos abatement as defined in the regulations of the NYC DEP.
The scope of work is exempt from the asbestos requirement as defined in the regulations promulgated by the NYC DEP (15 RCNY 1-23(b)).

23 Signs
Not Applicable

24 Comments

Comments for Document 01
PLEASE E MAIL OBJECTIONS TO [email protected].


25 Applicant's Statements and Signatures ( See paper form or check Forms Received )
Yes No
For New Building and Alteration 1 applications filed under the 2008 NYC Building Code only: does this building qualify for high-rise designation?
Directive 14 applications only: I certify that the construction documents submitted and all construction documents related to this application do not require a new or amended Certificate of Occupancy as there is no change in use, exits, or occupancy.

26 Owner's Information
Name: DAVID ROTHSTEIN
Relationship to Owner: PARTNER
Business Name: BROADWAY TRIO LLC Business Phone: 212-712-6114
Business Address: 805 THIRD AVENUE NEW YORK NY 10022 Business Fax: 212-712-6100
E-Mail: [email protected] Owner Type: PARTNERSHIP
Non Profit: Yes No

Yes No
Owner's Certification Regarding Occupied Housing (Remain Occupied)
Owner's Certification Regarding Occupied Housing (Rent Control / Stabilization)
Owner DHCR Notification
Owner's Certification for Adult Establishment
Owner's Certification for Directive 14 (if applicable)

--As per NYC DOB application - 88 Floors and 1550 ft Height
__________________

Eastern37 liked this post

Last edited by Vertical_Gotham; March 25th, 2013 at 08:56 PM.
Vertical_Gotham no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 25th, 2013, 11:22 PM   #1544
MarshallKnight
Registered User
 
MarshallKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: From the Bay to L.A.
Posts: 2,340
Likes (Received): 3585

Hey guys, I posed this question on SSP, but I wanted to see what some of you over here think:

What do we think the chances are that we wind up with a Y-shaped design here, a la Burj Khalifa and Kingdom Tower? AS+GG have a lot of experience with those designs, and I think they could knock one out of the park here.

Part of the reason those very tall towers were Y-shaped was for added stability against the wind -- and it doesn't seem like 225 w57th will be tall enough to necessitate that -- but it also maximizes the number of units that could have spectacular views. Same reason all the Vegas hotels are Y-shaped: every unit has a view.

Wouldn't such a design make sense for Barnett, in a super high end condo where the views are driving the prices up into the stratosphere? (Of course, a tripartite design wouldn't extend all the way to the base, but you could have the 7-story Nordstrom as a podium, from which a Y-shaped tower could rise.) Any thoughts on that?
MarshallKnight no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 25th, 2013, 11:30 PM   #1545
patrykus
Registered User
 
patrykus's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Poland
Posts: 3,778
Likes (Received): 1794

I think Y shaped towers requires large plots because they usually have large footprints so I don't expect tower like that here, but guessing is all we can do at this point so who knows

btw India Tower was quite neatly fitted on its plot but still I think it was much bigger than this will have.
__________________
PolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/C
PolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/C
PolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/C
PolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CComingSoon/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/CPolishTowersU/C

patrykus no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 25th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #1546
tim1807
faster than buildings
 
tim1807's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Den Helder
Posts: 10,325
Likes (Received): 5334

Indeed, an Y shape needs much space, what this site hasn't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vertical_Gotham View Post

Mixed use building? Yes No
tim1807 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 25th, 2013, 11:42 PM   #1547
Nikonov_Ivan
Registered User
 
Nikonov_Ivan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Riga
Posts: 2,261
Likes (Received): 704

I think that there is no place on manhattan for Y shape buildings( and megatalls). Except of HY. Am I right?
Nikonov_Ivan no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 12:03 AM   #1548
Vertical_Gotham
Registered User
 
Vertical_Gotham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 4,437
Likes (Received): 6488

Hey Tim!

yes its mixed use building.

Here's the link to DOB for applications filed today for this project.
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...A3&requestid=2
Vertical_Gotham no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 12:09 AM   #1549
tim1807
faster than buildings
 
tim1807's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Den Helder
Posts: 10,325
Likes (Received): 5334

Ok thanks I get it now.
In the article there was yes and no everywhere, a bit misleading.
tim1807 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 12:28 AM   #1550
LeandroPappalardo
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Santiago del Estero
Posts: 90
Likes (Received): 45

Oh guys, please stop arguirng/complaining. It's a 470m tower, maybe 500m, in my country such height is just a fantasy. My city has only a few of 60m high buildings, and I can't even believe there is a 100m u/c right now. A few meters won't make such a big difference, most people dont care about that, as long it is tall they'll be in awe.

Anyway, NY cant be compared to any other city, its so unique, no need of presumptuous, tacky shiny supertalls with flashing lights as an asian city would in order to atract worlwide atention, as already been said. Imho, design is way more important than height, and US cities stand out with that, specially NYC. So, my wishes for 225W is a good design, I wish Pelli would have been the architect, but AS its ok.

PS: sorry for any grammar error
__________________

LouDagreat liked this post
LeandroPappalardo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 01:57 AM   #1551
neilco
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 7
Likes (Received): 0

Any idea who is operating the hotel? Four Seasons really need to renovate their property at the other end of the street but they might be too busy focussing on the development on Church Street to make such a big move for a supposed flagship property.

Most big brands have a presence in New York -- the only one I can think that's missing is Shangri-La. Any ideas?
neilco no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 02:30 AM   #1552
thejacko5
SSC Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: NYC
Posts: 932
Likes (Received): 401

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeandroPappalardo View Post
Oh guys, please stop arguirng/complaining. It's a 470m tower, maybe 500m, in my country such height is just a fantasy. My city has only a few of 60m high buildings, and I can't even believe there is a 100m u/c right now. A few meters won't make such a big difference, most people dont care about that, as long it is tall they'll be in awe.

Anyway, NY cant be compared to any other city, its so unique, no need of presumptuous, tacky shiny supertalls with flashing lights as an asian city would in order to atract worlwide atention, as already been said. Imho, design is way more important than height, and US cities stand out with that, specially NYC. So, my wishes for 225W is a good design, I wish Pelli would have been the architect, but AS its ok.

PS: sorry for any grammar error
well said.
thejacko5 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 02:41 AM   #1553
RobertWalpole
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,607
Likes (Received): 2508

Quote:
Originally Posted by neilco View Post
Any idea who is operating the hotel? Four Seasons really need to renovate their property at the other end of the street but they might be too busy focussing on the development on Church Street to make such a big move for a supposed flagship property.

Most big brands have a presence in New York -- the only one I can think that's missing is Shangri-La. Any ideas?
Supposedly, Shangri-La will be in 610 Lex.

Before the crash, the Crill on from Paris sought a NY presence.

Ps: the Four Seasons on E 57th is magnificent.
RobertWalpole no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 03:24 AM   #1554
Vertical_Gotham
Registered User
 
Vertical_Gotham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 4,437
Likes (Received): 6488

Yea that 4 season is really nice. It's a shame their south facing view will be blocked by 432 Park.
__________________
-------------------------



Hudson Yards mega development Map: June 2015
http://i.imgur.com/FVrYwpy.jpg
(click again once inside to enlarge the map)
Vertical_Gotham no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 02:53 PM   #1555
usafarid
BANNED
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 245
Likes (Received): 38

what i am sur this building will break the 500 meters
and when gary barnett will acquire more air rights, this one will exceed the 2000 ft height
this is what i think !!!
usafarid no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #1556
generalscarr
Registered User
 
generalscarr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 333
Likes (Received): 425

It most probably won't. They want to make money, not set some silly records.
generalscarr no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #1557
tim1807
faster than buildings
 
tim1807's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Den Helder
Posts: 10,325
Likes (Received): 5334

Quote:
Originally Posted by usafarid View Post
what i am sur this building will break the 500 meters
and when gary barnett will acquire more air rights, this one will exceed the 2000 ft height
this is what i think !!!
I think you will be very happy in China.
__________________

Coddington liked this post
tim1807 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #1558
usafarid
BANNED
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 245
Likes (Received): 38

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim1807 View Post
I think you will be very happy in China.
nope !!!!
usafarid no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #1559
tim1807
faster than buildings
 
tim1807's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Den Helder
Posts: 10,325
Likes (Received): 5334

They have no struggles there to build a 2000ft tower.
tim1807 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 26th, 2013, 05:33 PM   #1560
usafarid
BANNED
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 245
Likes (Received): 38

Quote:
Originally Posted by tim1807 View Post
They have no struggles there to build a 2000ft tower.
they can struggles do you do when gary barnett said the height will change if he have more air rights
usafarid no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
217 west 57th street, 225 west 57th street, central park south, cps, extell, new york, nordstrom tower, nyc, supertall

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu