daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Development News Forums > Supertalls

Supertalls Discussions of projects under construction between 300-599m/1,000-1,999ft tall.
» Proposed Supertalls



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old January 3rd, 2012, 09:22 PM   #161
JohnFlint1985
I love New York
 
JohnFlint1985's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York - New Jersey
Posts: 15,621
Likes (Received): 6558

Quote:
Originally Posted by Otie View Post
May I recomend you a Bollinger Special Cuve?
Bolinger? Hm... living large is seems
__________________
RIP QuantumX & Desertpunk

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.” Thomas Jefferson
"We Shall Never Surrender." Winston Churchill
“Not all those who wander are lost.” J.R.R. Tolkien
"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." Oscar Wilde
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
JohnFlint1985 no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old March 15th, 2012, 03:27 AM   #162
k25150
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 2,045
Likes (Received): 414

Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertWalpole View Post
The Eurozone already is in recession. The US took a Keynsian approach to the 2008 downturn, and Europe took the opposite approach. The US fared much better, and this demonstrated the validity of Keyne's theories.

Nonetheless, if the Euro goes bust, the entire world will suffer a very serious recession. US Banks probably hold a lot of collateral default swaps and other financial instruments that will sustain huge losses if European countries default and European banks fail. Since the US and Europe are the developing world's primary markets, those countries (i.e., China, Brazil, etc.) will suffer too. No one is safe. The Euro was a very bad idea from the start.
The US fared better because of our (once) more free capitalistic economic system as compared to Europe. The machine was producing. The government played the biggest role in the downturn. How can you say the Keynsian approach benefited the US? Where is the proof that stimulus and QE 1 and 2, etc and govt bailouts did a damn thing but make a few connected people wealthy. Europe is worse off because the socialists ran out of other people's money to spend. It would be much, much worse over there if we didn't defend them. Their lack of defense budgets gave them extra cash to blow on bullshit social programs that kept the masses happy, calm and equal and allowed the powers to live like American capitalists.

All of the developing nations are following the American model and they are finding success. They certainly aren't modeling their system after Spain or Greece, you know the Keynsian method.

There is greed and corruption in both the free market and government. But it was government policies, namely the ridiculous housing act that government literally forced upon the banks to make loans to people with no job or no income verification, etc. All to make it "fair" and to buy those bastards votes. Not to mention the monkey business at the SEC. It's all about power and nothing about principle or the health of the nation. As long as Ivy League professors think you're cool and the leftist crooks in government and the liars in media invite you to their cocktail parties then that's all that matters. Go along to get along right? Go along to get you pockets stuffed while your nation that gives you so many benefits is tanking!

Government became and industry. It became a place to get wealthy. A free ride. That is not what government is supposed to be. It's over-regulating, over-stepping and inefficiencies only benefit the thugs in power and the public unions while everyone else loses more and more liberty everyday and sees the county fall deeper and deeper in decline. Allow the free market to actually be free with minimal and common sensical regulations, lower the corp tax rate be or get rid of it altogether, eliminate corporations' oversees earnings from being taxed when it comes back to the US, add tariffs to imports especially from China, expand our natural resource drilling operations (we have more than anyone and the whole Green lie is a power and money grab and nothing else at this point. Green energy is not feasible now and won't be for another 20 years) and watch the economy grow at 10%. Give me a break with the Keynsian crap.
k25150 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 15th, 2012, 03:54 PM   #163
yankeesfan1000
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,235
Likes (Received): 560

Damn, I came into this thread hoping for some news on 225 W 57th, and instead I got that.
yankeesfan1000 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 15th, 2012, 04:20 PM   #164
600West218
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,734
Likes (Received): 1574

That discussion should be in the sky bar.

Went by the site yesterday. The grocery store is open as usual and that building is not demolished. But on the rest of the site the demolition looks complete.

How much bigger is this lot than the one for tower going up oppososite Carnegie Hall
600West218 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 15th, 2012, 07:12 PM   #165
Uaarkson
Sheet Metal Sketcher
 
Uaarkson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: East Side Flint
Posts: 2,527
Likes (Received): 1028

Quote:
Originally Posted by k25150 View Post
The US fared better because of our (once) more free capitalistic economic system as compared to Europe. The machine was producing. The government played the biggest role in the downturn. How can you say the Keynsian approach benefited the US? Where is the proof that stimulus and QE 1 and 2, etc and govt bailouts did a damn thing but make a few connected people wealthy. Europe is worse off because the socialists ran out of other people's money to spend. It would be much, much worse over there if we didn't defend them. Their lack of defense budgets gave them extra cash to blow on bullshit social programs that kept the masses happy, calm and equal and allowed the powers to live like American capitalists.

All of the developing nations are following the American model and they are finding success. They certainly aren't modeling their system after Spain or Greece, you know the Keynsian method.

There is greed and corruption in both the free market and government. But it was government policies, namely the ridiculous housing act that government literally forced upon the banks to make loans to people with no job or no income verification, etc. All to make it "fair" and to buy those bastards votes. Not to mention the monkey business at the SEC. It's all about power and nothing about principle or the health of the nation. As long as Ivy League professors think you're cool and the leftist crooks in government and the liars in media invite you to their cocktail parties then that's all that matters. Go along to get along right? Go along to get you pockets stuffed while your nation that gives you so many benefits is tanking!

Government became and industry. It became a place to get wealthy. A free ride. That is not what government is supposed to be. It's over-regulating, over-stepping and inefficiencies only benefit the thugs in power and the public unions while everyone else loses more and more liberty everyday and sees the county fall deeper and deeper in decline. Allow the free market to actually be free with minimal and common sensical regulations, lower the corp tax rate be or get rid of it altogether, eliminate corporations' oversees earnings from being taxed when it comes back to the US, add tariffs to imports especially from China, expand our natural resource drilling operations (we have more than anyone and the whole Green lie is a power and money grab and nothing else at this point. Green energy is not feasible now and won't be for another 20 years) and watch the economy grow at 10%. Give me a break with the Keynsian crap.
This post has the highest density of fallacies I've ever seen on this website. Talk about brainwashed.

Oh well, my jimmies remain unrustled.
__________________
Manhattan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1MySJoFl8&hd=1 (HD)

ChuckScraperMiami#1 liked this post
Uaarkson no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 15th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #166
RobertWalpole
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,607
Likes (Received): 2508

Quote:
Originally Posted by 600West218 View Post
That discussion should be in the sky bar.

Went by the site yesterday. The grocery store is open as usual and that building is not demolished. But on the rest of the site the demolition looks complete.

How much bigger is this lot than the one for tower going up oppososite Carnegie Hall
MW is moving in late spring or early summer.
__________________

Highcliff liked this post
RobertWalpole no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 15th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #167
600West218
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,734
Likes (Received): 1574

ok. Do you know the difference in lot size between this site and One57?
600West218 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 17th, 2012, 02:51 AM   #168
Jay
Registered User
 
Jay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: California to Barcelona
Posts: 4,054
Likes (Received): 1863

This building has air rights to about 400 meters, this should be in the supertall section.
Jay no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 17th, 2012, 03:09 AM   #169
Arawooho
Registered User
 
Arawooho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New York City
Posts: 266
Likes (Received): 68

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay View Post
This building has air rights to about 400 meters, this should be in the supertall section.
I agree. The title should also read 300m+ at least
Arawooho no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 17th, 2012, 05:39 AM   #170
aquablue
BANNED
 
aquablue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,750
Likes (Received): 229

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arawooho View Post
I agree. The title should also read 300m+ at least
There is no such thing as 'air rights' to 400m. It all depends on floor-to-area ratio in NYC. I.e, it could be shorter and bulkier, or thinner and taller.
aquablue no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 17th, 2012, 05:47 AM   #171
Eastern37
Optimist
 
Eastern37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Townsville
Posts: 6,496
Likes (Received): 3047

I'm pretty sure that "air-rights" do exist in NYC!
Eastern37 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 17th, 2012, 01:03 PM   #172
Eric Offereins
The only way is up
 
Eric Offereins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Rotterdam
Posts: 68,624
Likes (Received): 28178

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay View Post
This building has air rights to about 400 meters, this should be in the supertall section.
I am sure it will be moved as soon as there is official information confirming the height.
__________________

Highcliff liked this post
Eric Offereins no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 17th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #173
scalziand
Naugatuckian
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Naugatuck, CT
Posts: 455
Likes (Received): 181

Here's 225w57's lot:


Here's One57's lot:
__________________

Highcliff liked this post
scalziand no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 17th, 2012, 08:23 PM   #174
aquablue
BANNED
 
aquablue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,750
Likes (Received): 229

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastern37 View Post
I'm pretty sure that "air-rights" do exist in NYC!
Air rights, but they are in FAR not in height.
aquablue no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 19th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #175
erbse
LIBERTINED
 
erbse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: McLenBurg
Posts: 43,236
Likes (Received): 57914

Do we have any current renderings for this project? Thanks.
__________________
GET FREE!
D W F


🔥 Tradition doesn't mean to look after the ash, but to keep the flame alive! 🔥

Highcliff liked this post
erbse no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2012, 03:08 AM   #176
sbarn
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC & Bay Area
Posts: 1,222
Likes (Received): 991

Quote:
Originally Posted by aquablue View Post
Air rights, but they are in FAR not in height.
Air Rights and FAR (Floor Area Ratio) are the same thing. You can build as tall as you like as long as it conforms with available FAR and the zoning code (sky plane, etc).
sbarn no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2012, 03:25 AM   #177
desertpunk
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
 
desertpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ELP ~ ABQ
Posts: 55,648
Likes (Received): 53449

Quote:
Originally Posted by erbse View Post
Do we have any current renderings for this project? Thanks.
Not as of yet. This will probably be as frustrating as One57 since there's no approval process to force the developers to reveal details early. But the demolition work is complete and the site is ready for action whenever Extell is ready to build.



From Denkmanttlb at Flickr in January:

image hosted on flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6616394947/

image hosted on flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6616400653/

image hosted on flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6616406913/

image hosted on flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6616413041/

image hosted on flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6616417107/
__________________
We are floating in space...

ChuckScraperMiami#1 liked this post
desertpunk no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2012, 05:41 AM   #178
RobertWalpole
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,607
Likes (Received): 2508

Quote:
Originally Posted by desertpunk View Post
Not as of yet. This will probably be as frustrating as One57 since there's no approval process to force the developers to reveal details early. But the demolition work is complete and the site is ready for action whenever Extell is ready to build.
It's not quite ready. They need to raze 225, which is covered in netting, and will do so once Morton Williams vacates the ground floor.
RobertWalpole no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2012, 06:14 AM   #179
desertpunk
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
 
desertpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ELP ~ ABQ
Posts: 55,648
Likes (Received): 53449

Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertWalpole View Post
It's not quite ready. They need to raze 225, which is covered in netting, and will do so once Morton Williams vacates the ground floor.
Do you have any idea who the architect will be? Is it still Costas Kondylis?
__________________
We are floating in space...

ChuckScraperMiami#1 liked this post
desertpunk no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 20th, 2012, 06:23 AM   #180
RobertWalpole
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,607
Likes (Received): 2508

Kondylis is basically retired. I would not be surprised to see another de Portzamparc design here. He seems to be Extell's preferred architect for high-end projects at the moment. One thing that's for sure, however, is that Extell likely will take the design up a few notches from One57 since that was built knowing that there would be no competition. 217-225 W57th, by contrast, likely will be competing with 432 Park and Torre Verre for the $5k-$10k/sf sales market.
RobertWalpole no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
217 west 57th street, 225 west 57th street, central park south, cps, extell, new york, nordstrom tower, nyc, supertall

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 11:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu