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Old November 14th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #201
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Example from Warsaw.

Building survived II WW, but not survived communist era... So this:



...was replacement by this ugly commieblock:

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Old November 14th, 2011, 10:46 PM   #202
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Sorry, but I don't think it's a good topic to show rebuilding of Sarajevo. This buildings are the same as in the past, olny rebuilded, not replacement...
From place to place.This picture shows different
Sarajevo 1992-2005

BTW topic name is "Ruined buildings and their replacement" same or other.
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Old November 14th, 2011, 10:57 PM   #203
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Sorry, but I don't think it's a good topic to show rebuilding of Sarajevo. This buildings are the same as in the past, olny rebuilded, not replacement...
Some are,some are not.But those that are not like parlament on the first post need to go to different thread.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 11:55 AM   #204
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Die Privatbrauerei "Dortmunder Kronen" war eine der ältesten Brauereien Westfalens und hat ihren Stammsitz am "Alten Markt". Sie wurde 1430 das erste Mal urkundlich erwähnt und befand sich von 1729 bis 1996 im Besitz der Familie "Wenker". 1996 wurde die "Kronenbrauerei" zusammen mit der "Dortmunder Stifts"- und der "Dortmunder Thier Brauerei" an die "Dortmunder Actien-Brauerei" veräußert. Folgend, ein Bild des "Kronen"-Stammhauses von 1860 und des aktuellen Stammhauses, beide an identischer Stelle.


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Old November 15th, 2011, 01:26 PM   #205
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The above one is a good example. The old building was crap. One can tell by the dirt in the walls, the low-quality of windows, the rotting wood used to make the attic on the background building. It was probably not a rich place, or one with many artsy details inside. Just a regular building. Good riddance, then.

I really don't understand how here on SSC and on the architectural community as a whole, we came to lower the standards so much that low-class, low-quality housing is now seen as a "loss" when they were torn down. For sake, in 10 years some people will me lamenting the loss of certain slums in London or Paris because they had "character" or were "unique".
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Old November 15th, 2011, 02:16 PM   #206
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Well I would argue that certain bad areas in London and Paris are interesting in terms of architecture and sometimes worth preserving but I agree there is some sort of weird nostalgia for the "good old times" not only in architecture but city planning in general, it's almost like they want to go back to horse and carriage. Perhaps changes in the last century were to radical for some people or perhaps the education is to blame since in school they teach you almost only about old buildings, when there is a school trip you go to see old architecture if it's about architecture at all. We are not taught to care about new architecture neither by school nor by our parents or even media.
Skyscrapers might be exception since they are so big and impressive sometimes serve as a tourist attraction too even despite young age thats why we have so many skyscraper enthusiast while 5 storey office buildings no matter how good they are don't attract as much attention.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 10:57 PM   #207
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No specific building replacement but an interesting view on Belgrade's development and its transformation from an Ottoman border village to an European capital since Turks left the city in 1867.

Although most old Ottomans "mahalas" were destroyed immediately after independence and proper street grid were traced with new plots, some Ottoman pockets survived until the 1930's.

[IMG]http://i44.************/2l3tbd.jpg[/IMG]

The slum on the left was replaced with 3 modernist building in the 1930's

[IMG]http://i41.************/1zh15yo.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i44.************/73dzc5.jpg[/IMG]

the small house replaced in 1937 with new appartment building

[IMG]http://i44.************/2akcyzn.jpg[/IMG]
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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:05 PM   #208
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The above one is a good example. The old building was crap. One can tell by the dirt in the walls, the low-quality of windows, the rotting wood used to make the attic on the background building. It was probably not a rich place, or one with many artsy details inside. Just a regular building. Good riddance, then.

I really don't understand how here on SSC and on the architectural community as a whole, we came to lower the standards so much that low-class, low-quality housing is now seen as a "loss" when they were torn down. For sake, in 10 years some people will me lamenting the loss of certain slums in London or Paris because they had "character" or were "unique".

ok man your right, but it was one of the oldest preserved dwellings in the city center of Dortmund - till 1945 and it was the headquarters of one the famous beer in Westphalia.

But now eyes front! I hope it is a good example for you and this thread

Dortmund Gildenhouse,





and now and monument conservation of the 1950, one building one wall: Ohno:

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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:35 PM   #209
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Some of the replacements are not that bad, and others are quite an improvement. By mid 18th Century, architecture had become the domain of excessive clutter (rococo-esque inspired), too many details on façades, too many information conveyed in an era where speed by which most people contemplate buildings was vastly improved (trams/streetcars, automobiles).

So it is good riddance to see new buildings with only 5-10% of the contours/details of those they replaced. It creates monumentality and it fits the fast pace of 21st Century.
Good point. It's also funny that in Europe we have many buildings of which we think they are medieval while in reality a lot of these buildings have been "enhanced" (or better mutulated) in the 18th and 19th century.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 01:23 PM   #210
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Not Europe but horrific urban vandalism nevertheless

http://www.thecollectormm.com.au/pri...ralCoffee1.jpg

http://www.thecollectormm.com.au/pri...ralCoffee1.jpg
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http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/pictures/0...m/pi001106.jpg
Original plans

http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/miscpics/0...m/mp005477.jpg

replaced by this brutalist turd (too ugly too enlarge) in the 70s

http://images.realestateview.com.au/...ll-3182243.jpg
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Old November 16th, 2011, 02:20 PM   #211
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Poor Melbourne indeed. I'm in love with eclectic, exaggerating historicist architecture like this.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 07:04 PM   #212
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Good point. It's also funny that in Europe we have many buildings of which we think they are medieval while in reality a lot of these buildings have been "enhanced" (or better mutulated) in the 18th and 19th century.
Exaclty. Many medieval castles here heavily modified after they lost their strategic military fortification value. So were many churches and almost all lesser buildings.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 07:06 PM   #213
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I can't stare at that Melbourne building. It has so much "information" conveyed in the details of the façade. Too many depressed entailed forms, overdone corners etc. And the interior is tacky, with the faux-gold-plated details.

So at the end of the day, some replacements will please some people and un-please others
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Old November 16th, 2011, 07:50 PM   #214
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Agree, the facade is just too "heavy".. too much columns, arches, details and it wasn't even symetrical.... and these porticos on both wings are completely unnecessary.
But anyway it;s a shame it was destroyed
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Old November 16th, 2011, 09:04 PM   #215
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I love that building from Melbourne,to bad it was destroyed because of some concrete box.
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I find it rather tacky but it would look nice in Disneyland too bad they built it in the middle of the city.
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I hate when people says "oh.. looks like disneyland.." i just don't understand...
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Old November 17th, 2011, 10:48 AM   #218
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Norddeutscher Lloyd building in Bremen/Germany. Built 1907, partly destroyed 1944, ruins removed 1969:



Today... a shopping mall:

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Old November 17th, 2011, 01:33 PM   #219
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Old November 17th, 2011, 01:57 PM   #220
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the same shit like the others western german cities like Dortmund,Cologne or Essen.
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