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Old April 19th, 2012, 07:48 PM   #361
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I don't think Poland will see many reconstructions in the future. It's capitalism now, and investors want to earn money. Who wants to pay for expensive reconstructions, especially in small, provincial towns? You will probably see many Glogows in the future.
It also shouldn't be forgotten that most of the few big reconstructions in Poland were ideologically motivated, and the more rural regions paid the price for the reconstructions of (especially) Warsaw. The losses are just less known.
I agree, some landmarks like the Saski Palace in Warsaw, Karasia Palace, Lubiaz near Wroclaw and some landmarks in Wroclaw, Gdansk, Zamosc etc, but the era of large-scale reconstruction might be over unless land values rise to such levels that it becomes economically viable to rebuilt with that degree of detail and if developers aren't too greedy.

Wouldn't say that the reconstruction of Warsaw was ideologically driven only, but rather a nationalistic necessity. Could you imagine what the French would do if Paris were destroyed completely. Warsaw before the war had almost as much historic fabric as Paris and much more very old medieval fabric. Bricks, details, furnishings were taken from elsewhere where in Warsaw these components were irretrievably lost. C'est la guerre
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Old April 20th, 2012, 05:01 AM   #362
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Wouldn't say that the reconstruction of Warsaw was ideologically driven only, but rather a nationalistic necessity. Could you imagine what the French would do if Paris were destroyed completely.
Agreed. It was a big "f*ck you" to the German Nazi's who razed the city to the ground. It had to be rebuilt, at least in part.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 11:07 AM   #363
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Some from Oslo, Norway.













The replacements are in many cases protected.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #364
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I agree, some landmarks like the Saski Palace in Warsaw, Karasia Palace, Lubiaz near Wroclaw and some landmarks in Wroclaw, Gdansk, Zamosc etc, but the era of large-scale reconstruction might be over unless land values rise to such levels that it becomes economically viable to rebuilt with that degree of detail and if developers aren't too greedy.
Zamosc is undergoing its largest reconstruction in modern history....
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Old April 20th, 2012, 06:31 PM   #365
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Some from Oslo, Norway.

(pictures omitted because they're too depressing to look at twice)
Wow! The Norwegians sure did a good job of desecrating their capital city, didn't they?

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The replacements are in many cases protected.
And making sure that it stays ugly forevermore
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Old April 20th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #366
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What idiotology did the Norwegians use???? Why?
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Old April 20th, 2012, 06:38 PM   #367
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Zamosc is undergoing its largest reconstruction in modern history....
But it wasn't badly hit in the war, was it?
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Old April 20th, 2012, 07:45 PM   #368
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Wow! The Norwegians sure did a good job of desecrating their capital city, didn't they?



And making sure that it stays ugly forevermore
Yes, they sure did. Many more examples though ... I think I may have posted some of the before here, but I don't remember which so I post them all.

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More comparisons:

(The building to the right is btw a protected masterpiece in case you didn't notice. At least if we should trust our heritage body.)









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What idiotology did the Norwegians use???? Why?
Hard to say. I wasn't around when it was done, but I believe the reasons are something along this line:

- Oslo was originally founded in the 10th century, but burned down during the 17th century, and was rebuilt on the other side of the bay with a new name - Kristiania. Kristiania was quite poor until the mid 19th century when it suddenly boomed. What had been a small village of 50.000 people suddenly had about 300.000. The result was a city that mainly consisted of 19th century buildings. That didn't matter as everyone had forgotten how old the city actually was, but then we started dig to fit railway tracks on the site of old Oslo and suddenly the ruins of the city was discovered. "Oh shit, it's actually that old" and the light went up for many. The city was renamed back to Oslo and the heritage body of the time probably didn't think it was that cool any longer which such a modern city for such a old name.

- Oslo and Norway in general was one of the places where functionalism come first and hit the hardest. Our buildings were usually filled with ornamentations, domes, spires and other flamboyant details, which was pretty much all that functionalism architects despised.

- These buildings were built in the hardcore capitalists period of the city where large part of the population lived in shacks while the other parts lived in luxurious apartment buildings on Oslos west end. Here is a district poor used to live: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Rodel%...2,325,,0,-5.96 While this is where rich lived on the same time: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Rodel%...2.65,,0,-12.96 The gap between rich and poor in the city was large. It was a results of inhumanity and inequality in Kristiania (and to a certain degree in the rest of country) that Norway become so left wing and protective over the worker as we are today. However this probably resulted in that a lot of people viewed our architecture as a bad leftover from the evil, capitalists past.

- A lot of our architecture was either draw by foreign architects or in foreign inspired styles. Norway had been under foreign rule by both Denmark and Sweden, followed by a occupation done by German during the war. Many probably though that it was a shame then that the capital had so many foreign looking building which reminded them of the past.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 07:55 PM   #369
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Here's another most lamentable case, that I only found out about yesterday... the former post office in my city. It's almost impossible to find pictures of it online, but here's a small one:




(also visible in this picture, the building furthest down the street, on the right)

All in all a typical late-19th century building, perhaps not very remarkable in the grand scheme of things but pleasing to the eye at the very least...

now brace yourselves for its replacement (1976):



(oddly, there's hardly any pictures of this building to be found either. Maybe because it's so unbelievably ugly. What were they thinking?)
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Old May 13th, 2012, 02:42 AM   #370
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What is wrong with these people? Why do they build such s*** in place of such great buildings? They have no respect. Humans have lost their sense of aesthetics.
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Old May 13th, 2012, 03:22 AM   #371
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What ever happened to great classy REAL architecture?
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Old May 14th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #372
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Hotel de ville Le Havre -France- (Normandie)

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Destruction




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Théâtre du Havre -France- (Normandie)

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Destruction




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Et il y a de nombreux avant/après sur ce site, et sur cette ville : http://havrais-dire.over-blog.com/
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Old May 14th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #373
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I like the post-war city hall of Le Havre. It's a very elegant modernistic building.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 10:01 PM   #374
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What ever happened to great classy REAL architecture?
Most of it was destroyed during - and in the immediate aftermath of - the last big European war.

And...

The builders of such are all moldering away six feet under.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 05:08 PM   #375
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Palais Rose, Paris

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Staircase inspired by the Escalier des Ambassadeurs (Château de Versailles)


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And now :



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Old May 16th, 2012, 09:12 PM   #376
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EH! je fait une recherche concernant les hôtel particulier de Paris, en plus les hôtels disparu. Est-ce que vous savez si les boiseries, les meubles et autres choses sont sauvé??

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Old May 16th, 2012, 09:40 PM   #377
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Oui, ils ont été vendus je crois (cheminées, stucs etc) et d'autres ont été volés (poignées de porte...) , mais je ne suis pas sûre. Les pierres aussi ont été vendus d'ailleurs.
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Pour plus d'informations au cas par cas pour chaque hôtel je te conseille déjà cette liste : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d...iers_parisiens et aussi le livre Les Hôtels particuliers de Paris, du Moyen Âge à la Belle Époque, Alexandre Gady, Éditions Parigramme, 2011. Sache que si certains hôtels ont disparus, leur mobilier et leurs boiseries ont en général été dispersés lors de ventes. On trouve des boiseries et du mobilier d'hôtels particuliers parisien au Metropilitan Museum de New York, en Angleterre par exemple mais aussi dans d'autres musées comme le musée Nissim de Camondo à Paris et également dans des collection privés (ce sera difficile d'en profiter pour celles ci ).

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Old May 16th, 2012, 10:17 PM   #379
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STICK TO ENGLISH! This is the international part of the forum. Thanks.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 10:40 PM   #380
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STICK TO ENGLISH! This is the international part of the forum. Thanks.
J'ai beau chercher, je ne vois pas où il est écrit que l'on doit parler exclusivement l'anglais dans le section internationale. Mais si tu me le montres, alors ok, google trag sera donc mon ami (même si il l'est déjà )
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