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Old June 25th, 2013, 08:46 AM   #461
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Old June 25th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #462
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I don't remember if I have posted this building before in this tread or not, but I know that I have never posted as large pictures of it as these anyway ...

The Hassel building in Oslo, Norway. Originally an art nouveau commercial building built in 1902 with a design by the local architect Carl Michaelsen. It used to have a higher spire than what is shown at this picture, but this was shorten sometime during the '30s.




It was re-clad in 1970 in a brutalistic style. Here it is today:

http://lokalhistoriewiki.no/index.ph...a_1_i_Oslo.JPG

Well at least it still can be restored to former glory...
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Old June 25th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #463
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Rijeka, synagogue, destroyed by the Communists after WW2

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Stop with anticommunist propaganda

Only Germans destroyed Synagogues in Europe.

The Rijeka Synagogue was destroyed on January 25, 1944 during Nazi occupation of Rijeka.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #464
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Well at least it still can be restored to former glory...
Theoretically it can be done of course, but I doubt that it will ever happen. The focus here in Norway is mainly about preservering all the stuff that was built post war and older 19th century and early 20th century buildings are for most part ignored. In fact it would not surprised me if the modern facade of the building got protected instead.

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Old June 25th, 2013, 05:16 PM   #465
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Communists probably destroyed more synagogues and Jewish cemeteries in Eastern Europe than NAZI.
Shame on you. Several prominent communists leaders were jews.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 05:20 PM   #466
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Great synagogue of Vilnius. Only slightly damaged by nazis.



Completely destroyed vy soviets and replaced with ugly kindergarten.

Slightly ???



Stop with anticommunist propaganda

90% european synagogues is in eastern Europe. Only few survive in west Europe.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #467
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Stop with anticommunist propaganda

Only Germans destroyed Synagogues in Europe.

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Yes, of course, the communists were kind, religious people who lived in peace, harmony, and tolerance of all, including religions.

Looks like their propaganda has worked to cause the previous kind of post, though.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 09:54 PM   #468
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Yes, of course, the communists were kind, religious people who lived in peace, harmony, and tolerance of all, including religions.

Looks like their propaganda has worked to cause the previous kind of post, though.
Prague, Budapest and Krakow are the most beautiful and best preserved cities in Europe, all from the former communist states. I live in former communist state.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #469
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I think skyscraperus is too busy fantasizing about Stalin, Lenin and Mao having a three-way, which clouds his thinking. Poor fellow.
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Prague, Budapest and Krakow are the most beautiful and best preserved cities in Europe, all from the former communist states. I live in former communist state.
Understand and agree about those three sensational cities. Without being too political, those cities are wonderful in spite of the totalitarian and destructive regimes that reigned terror for decades. And those regimes were anti religion along with the architecture that the places of worship represented.
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Yes, of course, the communists were kind, religious people who lived in peace, harmony, and tolerance of all, including religions.
It doesn't change the fact though, that Nazis were the greatest destructors of the Jewish cultural heritage in Europe (in addition to killing people in the first place). If you have any arguments condtradicting the fact of destruction of synagogues in virtually every city Wehrmacht took (maybe apart from Western Europe, when they behaved in more civilised way), it's time you presented it

It would be nice though if you present arguments more reliable than your revelations about bloodthirstly Churchill, responsible for the destruction of German cities

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Understand and agree about those three sensational cities. Without being too political, those cities are wonderful in spite of the totalitarian and destructive regimes that reigned terror for decades. And those regimes were anti religion along with the architecture that the places of worship represented.
In Poland not only churches weren't destroyed, but these, which were devastaded during the war, were thoroughly rebuilt. In fact, none of historical monuments did better than churches in Communist Poland (neither industrial buildings, nor rent houses, nor manors and mansions).

The anti-religious bias resulted in ban on building new churches from ca. 1960 to 1980, but after ban was lifted (lex Kania in 1980), more churches were built in 1980s decade than anytime during Poland's 1000-year history and more than - at that decade - in all other European countries combined.

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Prague, Budapest and Krakow are the most beautiful and best preserved cities in Europe, all from the former communist states. I live in former communist state.
Perhaps visiting large parts of Krakow's Kleparz would be useful for you. Even today some parts of it look like slum. In 1989 most of Cracow looked like that. And up to 1981 people were virtually crying during rain (!), because some 'intelligent' planners set up aluminium mill in Skawina (SW of Cracow), so that sulphur dioxide clouded over the city and there were literally acid rains. Silesian Industrial Area also added its piece of the cake. Plus concentration of coal heaters, because highly 'effective' communist economy wasn't able to establish modern heating system in the city centre.

And I also wouldn't agree that Budapest, beautiful as it might be, is among one of the best preserved cities in Europe. Plenty of quartals of Erzesbetvaros of Josefvaros looked nasty even in 2008. I can imagine how it looked like 20 years ago.
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Perhaps visiting large parts of Krakow's Kleparz would be useful for you. Even today some parts of it look like slum. In 1989 most of Cracow looked like that. And up to 1981 people were virtually crying during rain (!), because some 'intelligent' planners set up aluminium mill in Skawina (SW of Cracow), so that sulphur dioxide clouded over the city and there were literally acid rains. Silesian Industrial Area also added its piece of the cake. Plus concentration of coal heaters, because highly 'effective' communist economy wasn't able to establish modern heating system in the city centre.

And I also wouldn't agree that Budapest, beautiful as it might be, is among one of the best preserved cities in Europe. Plenty of quartals of Erzesbetvaros of Josefvaros looked nasty even in 2008. I can imagine how it looked like 20 years ago.
... And what ??? Prague, Budapest and Krakow are not the best preserved cities in central Europe? Don't be jealousy.

TOP preserved cities in Europe - Paris, Rome, Prague, Budapest, Krakow, Florence, Venice...
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Old June 26th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #473
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Historic and beautiful Jelenia Gora/Hirschberg - Untouched by the war but then came communism


http://www.fotopolska.eu/315991,foto.html?o=b15564

1947:

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http://www.fotopolska.eu/194577,foto.html

Today: the old town was ruined and neglected by the local communist authorities in the 1960s
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Old June 27th, 2013, 04:26 AM   #474
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... And what ??? Prague, Budapest and Krakow are not the best preserved cities in central Europe? Don't be jealousy.
1. You tried to prove they're among the best preserved in Europe, now you're saying: in central Europe. That's different. Every average west-European city looked in 1989 better than any city-miracle in the East. That's precisely because of the communism.

2. Generally large degree of authenticity of cities you've mentioned is a result of lack of war damage (in Prague and Kraków) or relative good rebuilding (Budapest - quite conservative rebuilding based on old street grid in Pest, by-the-book reconstruction of Old Town in Buda; IMHO in Warsaw it was done much better, but that's just me).

To some degree this quick and bloodless liberation of Krakow and Prague might be considered as a merit for communism, precisely for Soviet Red Army. Although, regarding Prague, it was rather ex-Soviet renegades from Własow's army, who saved the city And the end of the war.

3. Generally good shape of the cities and relatively good preservation of buildings is mostly the result of investments and repairs made in the last 20 years. Or maybe even in the last 10. Well, let's call a spade a spade: it was resourcefullness of Central Europeans plus funds from the EU that made a change.

I remember Krakow from ca. 1996 and it looked like every city in Poland at that time - dirty, ugly, rusty and generally lagging behind the civilised world.

I am not even talking about Warsaw because living my whole life in this city I have problem to believe my eyes when I see pics from 1990s of the apparently the same city.

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Today: the old town was ruined and neglected by the local communist authorities in the 1960s
Not exactly: ruined and neglected but destroyed to make the city centre bypass (visible on the photo). Although the old town was in relatively poor shape for many years, at least the market square rent houses were carefully reconstructed in late 1960s.

If you want to really show the biggest crime of urbanists committed in communist Poland, show us Legnica
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The Norodom Palace, Saigon, destroyed in 1963.

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Dinh Doc Lap bi bom nam 1962 by tan218ntl2006, on Flickr

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Old August 21st, 2013, 10:23 PM   #476
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Do the people and constructors really like this kind of architecture?

In my city in Germany, most people wanna live in old town houses with high ceilings and stone details on the wall... but there is not one building, which will be constructed in this way in the near future... Can't understand that!
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 03:15 PM   #477
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St Peter's church in Split, Croatia

Large neo-romanesque church, built in 1880's, and was later partially bombed by the allies in WWII. It was completely demolished around 1949. to widen the street.

Prior to the WWII








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Split lasarets were among the grandest and best organised trade lasarets in Europe during 16th and 17th century. They were used as a quarantine and customs center for the trade route between ottomans and venetians, at least in time of peace.

Lasarets were partially demolished during the 19th century to make room for the more modern harbour buildings. They were heavily bombed by the allies during WWII, and were completely removed after the war.


3D render of lasarets in 17th century





Lasarets prior to the WWII









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Comparison between 1900's and today

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Ca ne se passe pas en France mais à Brüx, République Tchèque, du temps du communisme. Rasage du centre historique pour faire place à une mine de charbon à ciel ouvert.

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Et aujourd'hui...



La ville soviétique, reconstruite plus loin :



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Stop with anticommunist propaganda

Only Germans destroyed Synagogues in Europe.

The Rijeka Synagogue was destroyed on January 25, 1944 during Nazi occupation of Rijeka.
Out of three synagogues in Bratislava, two were destroyed by communists and one of them survived. They destroyed also the old jewish quarter with several renaissance, baroque and classicist monuments, in total 30% of Bratislava's historical center.

Communists were the same kind of criminals like nazis and fascists.
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