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Old August 25th, 2013, 02:00 PM   #481
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Out of three synagogues in Bratislava, two were destroyed by communists and one of them survived. They destroyed also the old jewish quarter with several renaissance, baroque and classicist monuments, in total 30% of Bratislava's historical center.

Communists were the same kind of criminals like nazis and fascists.
I agree, i could show a lot of examples of what was destroyed during communism era. One of example gothic, renaissance, baroque jewish quarter in Vilnius, demolished a few curches in Klaipėda, there are a lot of examples in Lithuania. I don't want to start talk about former East Prussia.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 01:29 PM   #482
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People compare fascism and communism based on their treatment of facades?!

Can we not admire lost buildings without being so ignorant? There are so many different reasons why many of these buildings were not rebuilt. Today we think everything was better in previous generations. But that is very narrow-minded, and mostly comes from tourism promotion. Let's keep things in perspective. What’s beautiful today may not have been beautiful yesterday, and could perhaps be considered garbage tomorrow.

Before we start judging the urban planning philosophy of post-war Europe, we should keep in mind that many people were left homeless by the war, and they wanted to live in functional cities, not museums.

My hometown had many houses which were built during the Ottoman period. Today we're told that these were gorgeous, romantic houses with divine gardens and a simpler way of life. But that’s just bullshit for tourists. In 1950s, those houses were already too old, damp, and built from highly flammable materials. They had separate living areas for men and women, and strictly reflected the class structure. New houses, and especially new housing blocks, even though they seem ugly to us today, greatly increased the quality of living after World War II for many people.

There are other factors too. After WWI, people wanted a break with the old world of class inequality, bourgeois values and rigid social stratification. One of the ways of achieving this (aesthetically and practically) was modern architecture. We see ugly boxes. The modernists saw clean and simple geometric forms, functional buildings, reduction of visual clutter and more room for trees and cars. After WWII and the rise of middle and working classes, this became even more important. Those "bland" buildings were supposed to house all people regardless of class, with more average living space per family and better access to basic utilities. What use did they have from rebuilding palaces for old elites which caused so much suffering? Even today we are rebuilding them for tourists, nothing else.

Of course, cities were also used for ideological purposes, but this was also the mark of the times. While communists were loudest in their anti-religious and anti-bourgeois sentiments, such iconoclastic approach can also be found in non-communist societies. One notable example is West Berlin.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 09:37 PM   #483
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Palacete de Ripalda in Valencia (Spain)

In past:


Now:


You can see more examples of Spain here: http://www.lavidaesinfinito.com/patr...-aberraciones/
It's in spanish, but quite simple to understand, picture of before and after, and the name of the building with the city
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Old January 6th, 2015, 09:33 PM   #484
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Dragikom, yes, that was reasoning of modernists but they very often failed miserably.
One example from my city Usti nad Labem in the Czech Republic. The modernists destroyed this street during the communist era:

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Today mostly social outcasts live there, people with higher income moved away. The place is ugly with many social problems, definitely not paradise modernists hoped for but exact opposite. Yet it is true that it is not just communism that committed these things. The modernists filled whole world with similar abominations regardless of regimes.
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Old January 11th, 2015, 11:23 PM   #485
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We all know that a lot of german big cities suffered from heavy bombings and only very few werent much destroyed like Wiesbaden. So that the Cafe Orient wasn't destroyed and damaged. Nevertheless it was teared down in 1964.

Also it wasn't special, moste average, I am pretty sure if the Café Orient would survied it would be a great place today for drinking coffee, eating cakes, smoking a shisha with friends. I am sure it would be a nice cafe beside the Maldaner Cafe.

All pictures form www.cafe-orient.com








The destruction


only to be replaced by this shit behind this dude



all pics from cafe-orient.com
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Old January 24th, 2015, 05:02 PM   #486
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How grossly pathetic and almost criminally abusive of the responsibility of urban officials to allow such an assault on the visual and historical enjoyment of the site.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 11:59 AM   #487
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Athens, Ampelokipi district 1963. The building in the center of the photo is villa Margarita. Built in 1900 from an unknown British architect.



Villa was demolished in late 1970 and in 1974 a new building was about to be completed on the plot (picture above). Today belongs to the National Bank of Greece.

Villa Margarita from Kifisias Ave. in a rare color picture, late 60s.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 01:15 PM   #488
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One part of arsenal in Pula, Croatia



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Old September 11th, 2015, 03:02 AM   #489
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Another one from Oslo, Norway.

We replaced this:


With this:


Streetview: https://www.google.com/maps/place/To...16badf195e388e
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Old September 11th, 2015, 04:21 PM   #490
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And another one from Oslo.

The building in the middle here.



Was re-clad into this:



Before it and the building to the right was eventually demolished and replaced with this:

http://wikimapia.org/29569064/no/R%C3%A5dhusgata-27
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Old September 11th, 2015, 08:51 PM   #491
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Another one from Oslo, Norway.


Streetview: https://www.google.com/maps/place/To...16badf195e388e
I like this one somehow...
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Old September 12th, 2015, 08:20 PM   #492
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Another one.

The building in the middle here:


Have been replaced with this gray building here (I was unable to find any pictures of it):
https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9126...7i13312!8i6656
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Old September 24th, 2015, 02:04 PM   #493
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One from Bergen, Norway.

Bergens Missions Hotel.





The same location today. The only building left standing is the one to the far right in the picture above.

http://fotomuseum.bergen360.no/-/ima...missions-hotel
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And another one from Oslo.

The building in the middle here.

Was re-clad into this:
Was the monument demolished too or is it just not seen from a different angle on the second photo?
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Old September 24th, 2015, 09:13 PM   #495
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The monument was moved and is now located here:

https://www.google.no/maps/@59.91127...2!8i6656?hl=no

Which is maybe 200m from where it stood previously. You can turn the the pointer around to see the location of green building above.
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Old September 24th, 2015, 11:52 PM   #496
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Another one from Oslo, Norway.

This row with three building from the late 19th century located on the central square of the city ...





Closer look at the building to the left:


Closer look at the building in the middle:


... Were demolished to make way for the gray building in the back here:
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Another one from Bergen.

Vågsallmennningen 28


Was replaced with this white building that was built in two steps between 1951 and 1965.
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And one from Oslo.

Calmeyers Gate 1, also known as Calmeyersgatens Misjonshus:




Was demolished to make way for this yellow horror:
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Old September 26th, 2015, 05:01 PM   #499
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The buildings in the square in Oslo that were replaced by the big monstrous block where destroyed by a fire actually, but I guess they could be savaged if one wanted too.
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The buildings in the square in Oslo that were replaced by the big monstrous block where destroyed by a fire actually, but I guess they could be savaged if one wanted too.
Only the one on the corner of the Karl Johans gate and Stortorvet was damaged in fire, and the facade was fine even after the fire but I guess both the roof and interior were gutted.


Here is a picture of it being demolished:


The rest of the row however were still in perfectly good shape when it was decided to replace it with the the thing that stands there today.
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