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Old June 24th, 2010, 01:44 PM   #321
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The engine driver survived.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 02:41 PM   #322
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This type of accident can be avoided by simply installing a barrier between the rails, but I guess it was to expensive so they obviously prefer darwin awards and expensive cleanup of the station and paralyzing the traintraffic.

I wonder what would have been more expensive, 200 meters of fence, or this accident (firefighters, policemen, hospital staff, technicians, psycologists, cleaners etc working overtime) not to mention the traintraffic beeing paralyzed for days. And of cause the investigation, not that there is anything to investigate but why not spend some more taxpayers money while we're at it.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 03:48 PM   #323
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Ok, got it. I was reading the news in my original language and it was translated (in English equivalent) like "bullet train running up to 280km/h split bodies in halves as passengers were forced to take a detour over the tracks", and then the journalist comments that Italy should enforce lower max speed for trains crossing stations without stopping at 80 or 60 km/h to avoid this kind of tragedy.
So let me see, people die in Barcelona, and Italy should enforce new rules? If the journalist really wrote that, then Darwin commands we tied that journalist to the rails until the first train passes, to let the press species evolve in a positive way.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 03:49 PM   #324
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The engine driver survived.
Even if this is not his fault, will need psychological support after the accident
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Old June 24th, 2010, 03:53 PM   #325
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What could be done (in my opinion) is putting a fence between the two tracks in stations. That way you signal in a very clear way to passengers that crossing the tracks is not only dangerous, but also that it won't get you anywhere...
It´s a great idea, but as far as I know its conflicting with emegency rules...
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Old June 24th, 2010, 04:16 PM   #326
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The most of them in this case were south american immigrants (probably all). Catalonia is living a official day of mourning and the king Juan Carlos I has suspended all his acts.
Terrible

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Old June 24th, 2010, 04:50 PM   #327
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Do we need better track segregation?
Nope. What we need, what some young people need this days, is the correct upbringing. Hopefully this accident will teach them something.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 05:23 PM   #328
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It was the result of an idiotic behaviour. There is an underpass which according to them was full of people so they decided to cross the tracks. According to the train event recorder, the train was running at a legal speed and hooted for 14 seconds.

Also, crossing the tracks is fined with €6,001 - €30,000 in Spain.


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Ley 4/2006, de 31 de marzo, ferroviaria.

Son faltas graves:

Art. 64.-
V. Bajar a las vías, entrar en los túneles o cruzar la vía férrea o la plataforma del tranvía por fuera de los lugares expresamente habilitados para ello.

Artículo 66. Sanciones.

1. Las infracciones leves que tipifica la presente ley se sancionan con una advertencia o una multa de hasta 6.000 euros, o con ambas cosas. Las infracciones graves se sancionan con una multa desde 6.001 hasta 30.000 euros. Las infracciones muy graves se sancionan con una multa desde 30.001 hasta 300.000 euros.



And they still say "I don't know if there is an underpass there, and I don't care"

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Old June 24th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #329
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Oh and please note all of you that it has little to do with ethnicity.
Most of the killed THIS TIME were Southamericans, yes, but I see it everyday, and it is not only them. IT´S EVERYBODY, even the English and German and Dutch tourists, who seem to forget about discipline once they´re here...

My friend Albert was a Spaniard, he crossed the tracks too and got killed some ten years ago in another station of that very same line though we kept telling and telling him not to do so.

They´ve put fences, sometimes they´ve even built them, no problem: they will break them down, sometimes even with a hammer, to keep on crossing, even if an underpass or an overpass is only some yards away, just to avoid one or two minutes of extra walking.

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Old June 24th, 2010, 07:31 PM   #330
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Obviusly, I only was giving information about tragedy, don't get me wrong.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 07:49 PM   #331
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Obviusly, I only was giving information about tragedy, don't get me wrong.
Tranqui tron, no pasa nada...

I know you don´t, but other people could misunderstand.

The thing is, why this happens more often on the Mediterranean coast of Spain rather than in central Spain or the Atlantic Spanish coast...
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Old June 24th, 2010, 07:57 PM   #332
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The engine driver survived.
???

I assume he did, I wouldn't send him my best wishes otherwise. To wish someone dead well doesn't make sense for an agnostic. It's the living that have to live on with what have happened; that make me feel sad.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 09:56 PM   #333
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Tranqui tron, no pasa nada...

I know you don´t, but other people could misunderstand.

The thing is, why this happens more often on the Mediterranean coast of Spain rather than in central Spain or the Atlantic Spanish coast...
Ok

I think it's because Mediterranean cost has looots of railways in urban areas and all the provinces are very populated, central Spain is much less populated, just Madrid metropolitan area is dense, and our railways are usually outside cities or well protected. Atlantic areas are not as urban as Mediterranean, and hasn't many railways in residential areas like BCN.
Cataluña and Comunidad Valenciana are the winners.
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I think it's because Mediterranean cost has looots of railways in urban areas and all the provinces are very populated, central Spain is much less populated, just Madrid metropolitan area is dense, and our railways are usually outside cities or well protected. Atlantic areas are not as urban as Mediterranean, and hasn't many railways in residential areas like BCN.
Cataluña and Comunidad Valenciana are the winners.
Winners?

Well if it means winners of the trophy of most overbuilt Mediterranean regions, could be...

In terms of population, I agree mosty of central Spain is not exactly overcrowded, but still there´s Madrid...
As for Northern Spain: Bilbao, Asturias and Cantabria may well be not as populated as the MEDiterranean, but railways there are dense and across urban, industrial, or rural/urban areas, so this is why I believe people there are more disciplined.

BTW could anyone please tell me what the devil is a Darwin Award?
I´m not much into computers, you see...
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BTW could anyone please tell me what the devil is a Darwin Award?
The Awards honor people who ensure the long-term survival of the human race by removing themselves from the gene pool in a sublimely idiotic fashion

http://www.darwinawards.com/
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Thank you!
I kind of suspected it, but I wasn´t entirely sure of it.
Thank you.

Come to think of it, did Darwin study the lemmings?
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Winners?

Well if it means winners of the trophy of most overbuilt Mediterranean regions, could be...

In terms of population, I agree mosty of central Spain is not exactly overcrowded, but still there´s Madrid...
As for Northern Spain: Bilbao, Asturias and Cantabria may well be not as populated as the MEDiterranean, but railways there are dense and across urban, industrial, or rural/urban areas, so this is why I believe people there are more disciplined.

BTW could anyone please tell me what the devil is a Darwin Award?
I´m not much into computers, you see...

Yes, it's not good to be the winner in this case.
Yes, and also southern Galicia and A Coruña metropolitan area are very populated, but there isn't many accidents like in Catalonia or Valencia, and I think these areas have dense railways and across urban, industrial, or rural/urban areas.
I'm asking in spanish forum, I can't understand it.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 11:14 PM   #338
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Even if this is not his fault, will need psychological support after the accident
Some train drivers are so traumatised after this kind of accidents that can't drive trains anymore...even if they have not any fault.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 11:38 PM   #339
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Some train drivers are so traumatised after this kind of accidents that can't drive trains anymore...even if they have not any fault.
It must be very very hard and frustrating for them to see it coming all of a sudden and not being able to stop it.
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News: the authorities have been able to count the body parts and it turned out there was one more corpse than they thought.

This might give you an idea of the state of the bodies...

13 dead then, and as for the injured, one very critical, two critical, and 19 injured to several degree.

Some of them will have to be identified by DNA.

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