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Old December 24th, 2007, 02:08 PM   #21
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I think that direct reason of this huge damage of TGV is the safety zone use in this trains, where the energy of impact was absorb by parts of locomotiv.
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Old December 26th, 2007, 07:02 PM   #22
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Old December 27th, 2007, 05:52 PM   #23
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Trains have a lot of momentum, and a truck is enough to derail a train pretty badly. You've got the mass of the rest of the train pushing the locomotive further into the truck.

It's a good thing the train hit the truck, and not vice versa. This is what happens with a freight train - there's a truck somewhere in that wreckage. And the train was hauled by three locomotives, one of them also got in the wreckage and was written off.


(Yardmaster originally posted the pic, presumably from a newspaper)

In either case, the wreckage could be similar to crumple zones in cars - something that gets destroyed in a crash in order to absorb the energy and reduce further damage to the rest of the vehicle.

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Old January 3rd, 2008, 02:43 AM   #24
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euh... because he hit a truck?
It seems like too much damage on the train.

I mean seriously... watch these.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s2oN3uTBa8w
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LZDAd8YX65Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjAlL7KlXg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf4Z2...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1jiI...eature=related

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Old January 3rd, 2008, 02:58 AM   #25
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The front locomotive is completely unrecognisable as a TGV.
I'm also surprised by the amount of damage done to the track.
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Old January 3rd, 2008, 06:45 AM   #26
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All of those are American. American trains are built like brick outhoses and could survive after nuclear warfare. European trains on the other hand tend to be built out of lighter materials and will crumple far more easily than their American counterparts. It is in part why the Aleca is such a heavy and surprisingly slow train (given the amount of power it has).
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Old January 28th, 2008, 02:52 PM   #27
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Rail accident stats in Europe

I found some info on the Eurostat website giving details of rail accidents and casualties in the EU and a few other countries during 05-06.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cac...-08-001-EN.PDF

Here are some of the figures

Number of fatalities

Poland 277
Germany 186
Turkey 111
France 88
Italy 83
United Kingdom 79
Bulgaria 68
Spain 65
Hungary 65
Slovakia 63
Portugal 53
Czech Rep. 52
Lithuania 49
Austria 43
Greece 39
Croatia 36
Latvia 30
Finland 22
Belgium 20
Sweden 19
Netherlands 16
Estonia 16
Denmark 14
Romania 12
Slovenia 9
Luxembourg 2
Norway 1
Liechtenstein 0
Ireland 0

Number of Seriously injured

Poland 225
Turkey 207
Germany 196
Hungary 98
Czech Rep 89
Italy 85
Croatia 81
Austria 61
Bulgaria 55
France 52
Greece 51
Spain 47
Portugal 33
Latvia 33
Slovakia 32
United Kingdom 31
Belgium 28
Lithuania 23
Estonia 21
Sweden 16
Netherlands 15
Luxembourg 15
Finland 13
Slovenia 11
Denmark 10
Norway 5
Romania 2
Ireland 0
Liechtenstein 0
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Old January 28th, 2008, 03:16 PM   #28
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That's not a fair comparison: networks, number of trains/journeys, services are all different in each country. We should look at the injuries/fatalities per km.
Then, if you had a big accident that year your stats would be totally screwed up.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 03:19 PM   #29
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Does the figures include self inflicted because there are always jumpers to screw statistical data.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 03:50 PM   #30
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I think that suicides are included.

Of course some networks are bigger than others and carry more passengers but per km/per passenger km figures were not provided with the report.

According to Wikipedia, passenger kms travelled in various Euro countries in 2005-2006 were

France 79.94bn
Germany 74.73bn
UK 46.76bn
Italy 46.44bn
Spain 21.25bn
Poland 16.98bn
Netherlands 15.41bn
Belgium 9.61bn
Austria 8.85bn
Romania 7.96bn
Hungary 6.92bn
Czech Rep 6.89bn
Sweden 5.68bn
Denmark 5.65bn
Turkey 5.04bn

So you can probably work it out from that, I couldn't find figures for some of the smaller countries.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 04:00 PM   #31
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Jumpers are definitely not included in those figures. You'd be surprised by how many there are... I know there are 180 a year in the Netherlands alone.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 04:16 PM   #32
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Yes, you're right, looking at the small print, the only country which includes jumpers is the Czech Rep.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 04:20 PM   #33
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Those numbers must include train-car crashes. In Poland most crossings are one-level crossings.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 04:24 PM   #34
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according to facts for Croatia, I can 100% claim that suicides and car hits are included in this statistics because we didn't have any injured passengers. i only remember one train-driver dead 2 years ago when the train hit a truck, nothing else.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 08:47 PM   #35
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I thought the UK total looked very high as there were no serious crashes aside from two cars being hit by trains on level crossings and looking in the tables in that document, there were no passengers killed during that period, 1 railway employee and 78 "others." It says that suicides are excluded so presumably nearly all of those counted were accidentally hit and killed by trains whilst on the tracks?
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Old January 28th, 2008, 10:42 PM   #36
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Number of fatalities...

I thought that Poland is only the worst in car accidents. In rail accident also the first place.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 10:48 PM   #37
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I thought the UK total looked very high as there were no serious crashes aside from two cars being hit by trains on level crossings and looking in the tables in that document, there were no passengers killed during that period, 1 railway employee and 78 "others." It says that suicides are excluded so presumably nearly all of those counted were accidentally hit and killed by trains whilst on the tracks?
what about Pendolino derailment?
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Old January 28th, 2008, 11:03 PM   #38
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That was 2007 and one elderly woman died.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 11:18 PM   #39
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They also count subways, I think the 47 people that died in Spain were all the passengers of an accidented Valencia's underground.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 11:40 PM   #40
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If you look at those statistics different, then you find, that of all 1370 killed people in rail accidents in 2006 there were only 58 train passengers. One bus for whole EU.
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