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Old April 27th, 2008, 07:10 PM   #61
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They do happen in France too, remember the crash between a lorry and the TGV some months ago!
One has to say though that a TGV looks less damaged after hitting a lorry than does an ICE after hitting a sheep.

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Old April 27th, 2008, 07:10 PM   #62
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Wow, crazy.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 07:11 PM   #63
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Good that nobody got killed(if you exclude the sheep).
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Old April 27th, 2008, 07:15 PM   #64
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One has to say though that a TGV looks less damaged after hitting a lorry than does an ICE after hitting a sheep.

That's the backside of the TGV, the front is totally damaged.
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One has to say though that a TGV looks less damaged after hitting a lorry than does an ICE after hitting a sheep.

what about the other end of the TGV

but if sheep can get onto the track, what is stopping some children from walking onto it? i always thought the high speed trains in europe were either fenced off or raised so there is no need for the fence anyway?

edit: damn, Joko65 beat me to it...
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Old April 27th, 2008, 07:25 PM   #66
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This ICE accident did remember me another accident with a ICE train that occurred a few years ago, when the train left the tracks after hitting into a car. I remember that there were many deaths.
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what about the other end of the TGV

but if sheep can get onto the track, what is stopping some children from walking onto it?
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That's the point, the german attitude is unbelievable.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 07:29 PM   #68
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One has to say though that a TGV looks less damaged after hitting a lorry than does an ICE after hitting a sheep.

in this pic you only see the rear head of the train.

The front head, that hit the truck looks very bad.

But remember: Thats a Truck, not sheep !!!
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This ICE accident did remember me another accident with a ICE train that occurred a few years ago, when the train left the tracks after hitting into a car. I remember that there were many deaths.
If you mean the Eschede accident, it had nothing to do with a car.
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you can not compare german highspeed rail with the spanish or french. those are purpose built tracks, separated from the rest of the rail traffic. in germany the highspeed trains often use normal tracks, sharing them with normal trains. thats why not all tracks are fenced off.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 07:32 PM   #71
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in this pic you only see the rear head of the train.

The front head, that hit the truck looks very bad.

But remember: Thats a Truck, not sheep !!!
How heavy are sheep? Don't underestimate this!
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you can not compare german highspeed rail with the spanish or french. those are purpose built tracks, separated from the rest of the rail traffic. in germany the highspeed trains often use normal tracks, sharing them with normal trains. thats why not all tracks are fenced off.
The Hannover–Würzburg line is a LGV, a high speed line, like in Spain or France.

In Spain or France highspeed trains often use normal tracks – which are not fenced – too, so there is no difference to Germany, but the LGVs are fenced in France or Spain and that is the difference to Germany.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 07:50 PM   #73
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If you mean the Eschede accident, it had nothing to do with a car.
Ah, sorry... It is the Eschede accident I had spoken. I must have confused... But, I remember a accident with a High-Speed train, where a car fell from an bridge on a railway line, and the train hit it.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 08:02 PM   #74
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Damn dude,

How does that happen? Why aren't there any wheel guards?

Does anyone know how much a sheep weighs? this seems unbelievable. Here in the Northeastern US. Trains hit deer and moose (And cars and trucks) all of the time with less injuries on the train. (American trains are far larger and heavier but still...)
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Old April 27th, 2008, 08:25 PM   #75
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yes, there just was a swedish train that smashed a moose, a big one at that. And the only thing that happened was that the train ran late some minutes, and got a nice new red livery at the front end.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 09:41 PM   #76
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Maybe metal sheets from the damaged front got under the wheels?

The fact that the front was damaged is Incredible (on the sheeps part) and sad (for whoever designed the train)

I mean seriously:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-GzO7q0c8
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Old April 27th, 2008, 09:52 PM   #77
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you can not compare german highspeed rail with the spanish or french. those are purpose built tracks, separated from the rest of the rail traffic. in germany the highspeed trains often use normal tracks, sharing them with normal trains. thats why not all tracks are fenced off.
I can compere this, because the security must be the same for this speed (250 km / h )
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Damn dude, How does that happen?
Apparently police is also investigating if a track switcher contributed to the derailing.

Meanwhile the sheperd has been identified. He said that he did not do anything wrong. He claims to have been at home at the time of the accident and that his sheep had been fenced in and secured. He suggested that somebody might have freed the sheep and driven the herd onto the tracks because sheep don't walk on tracks on their own (because they feed on gras and not on stone?).

Deutsche Bahn stated that the locomotive immidiately derailed when hitting 20-40 sheep because dead sheep were caught in the front bogie and caused it to turn to the side. Two rescue trains started from Fulda and Würzburg immidiately after the accident was reported and entered the tunnel from two sides. These rescue trains have 22 firemen and about the same number of medical personel on board. Infrared sights and a higher air pressure inside the rescue train enable it to drive into the tunnel even if there is heavy smoke. When the rescue trains arrived at the scene, the lights and walls inside the tunnel were full off bloody sheep parts and there was a lot of dust. Some sheep were still alive and screamed in pain. A good number of passengers on the ICE train had obviously panicked because fire extinguishers had been removed and were used in unsuccessful attempts to smash in windows. Apparently it is not well known among passengers that there are special points marked with a red circle on the windows that you have to hit with a small hammer in order to make the windows break. DB is thinking about giving passengers short emergency instructions in the future like flight attendants do on planes.

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Old April 28th, 2008, 01:10 AM   #79
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Incredible... but still, if there where proper guards, nothing would have ever come into contact with the wheels.


It seems unbelievable that this could have happened, almost not physically possible, I don't know how much an ICE loco weighs but it should be able to handle a few animals on the track.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 02:42 AM   #80
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oh man poor sheep this is sad its gurosome but sad why in the heck didn't they put Fences around the tunnel area.

i feel bad about the passengers and the train and also the sheep.
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