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Old April 28th, 2008, 03:22 AM   #81
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It seems unbelievable that this could have happened, almost not physically possible, I don't know how much an ICE loco weighs
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Old April 28th, 2008, 03:48 AM   #82
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Yes but they can fence the tracks with high speed train.
Yes, like here in Spain: all high speed lines are fenced and some conventional lines too.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 09:16 AM   #83
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I'm against fencing everything, it has major bad effects on wildlife.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 09:22 AM   #84
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Yes, like here in Spain: all high speed lines are fenced and some conventional lines too.
Are the high speed trains in Italy fenced in as well? Amtrak seems to have no fencing for its tracks.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 10:06 AM   #85
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Amtrak has some nice sheep fences in front of the train
In the Netherlands most railways aren't fenced, but on heavily used tracks they are. Most of the time there is a ditch between the track and the sheep.
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Amtrak seems to have no fencing for its tracks.

An American train probably wouldn't derail due to an animal.
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An American train probably wouldn't derail due to an animal.
Sure? What's about Acela?

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Old April 28th, 2008, 12:32 PM   #88
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This ICE accident did remember me another accident with a ICE train that occurred a few years ago, when the train left the tracks after hitting into a car. I remember that there were many deaths.
Are you thinking of the Selby rail crash in the uk?
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An American train probably wouldn't derail due to an animal.
They would if they went as fast - the reason US trains don't derail as much is because they don't go very fast apart from Acela, which in this incident at 250km/h would have a similar likelihood of derailing as the ICE.
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I'm against fencing everything, it has major bad effects on wildlife.
They make "underground corridors" for little animals of wild life.
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They would if they went as fast - the reason US trains don't derail as much is because they don't go very fast apart from Acela, which in this incident at 250km/h would have a similar likelihood of derailing as the ICE.

There have been several cases where the acela has hit a car and hasn't derailed, and it was going from 80-120 mph in those cases. Acela's are also much heavier than euro highspeed trains, although they look alike (which is why they go slower). If I'm not mistaken I believe Acela loco's weigh well over 100 tons and the coaches weigh about 60, like every other train in the US. Trains are at least 20-30 tons lighter in europe.
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There have been several cases where ICE trains hit cars, and the ICEs did not derail too.

At saturday evening an ICE in direction Hamburg hit some sheep at the end of Landrückentunnel too, and nothing happened. It was only the ICE to Munich which derailed, Deutsche Bahn says because 20–40 sheep hit the first boogie at the same time.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 09:40 PM   #93
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I'm against fencing everything, it has major bad effects on wildlife.
I doubt if there's really any wildlife left in Germany. Anyways, you can always make ecoducts in places where animals most often cross the railway.
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geeeeez. sorry for the sheeps. At least it should have been fast for some of them.
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There have been several cases where the acela has hit a car and hasn't derailed, and it was going from 80-120 mph in those cases. Acela's are also much heavier than euro highspeed trains, although they look alike (which is why they go slower). If I'm not mistaken I believe Acela loco's weigh well over 100 tons and the coaches weigh about 60, like every other train in the US. Trains are at least 20-30 tons lighter in europe.
Yeah, but that's not the reason why Acela didn't derail. 1kg of carefully placed high strength steel will derail a 150 ton loco. But you can also hit a 40ton truck and not.

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geeeeez. sorry for the sheeps. At least it should have been fast for some of them.
yes, very fast
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Shame! Poor sheep...the saddest part is that some were still alive afterwards
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The Hannover–Würzburg line is a LGV, a high speed line, like in Spain or France.

In Spain or France highspeed trains often use normal tracks – which are not fenced – too, so there is no difference to Germany, but the LGVs are fenced in France or Spain and that is the difference to Germany.
Not at all, high speed trains in Spain use 100% high speed UIC gauge tracks, properly fenced and full equiped with sensors that detect if the fence has been broken. The trains can run at 350Km/h only thanks to high tech procedures and monitoring. And they can't share the tracks with normal trains as the gauge is narrower.

I just can't believe Germany doesn't fence its high speed tracks Even in Mallorca with our diesel vmax 100Km/h trains we do have fences.
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Not at all, high speed trains in Spain use 100% high speed UIC gauge tracks, properly fenced and full equiped with sensors that detect if the fence has been broken. The trains can run at 350Km/h only thanks to high tech procedures and monitoring. And they can't share the tracks with normal trains as the gauge is narrower.
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The S-120 and S-130 are also high speed trains and they use parts of the ibero gauge tracks. They can change the gauge. The S-100 Euromed uses only the ibero gauge tracks.
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