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Old April 28th, 2008, 11:00 PM   #101
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Its "a herd of sheep" not "a herd of sheeps". You don't need the 's' on the end.
And a "flock of sheep" is even more correct. Although a "herd" is acceptable as it can be used for any animal (even people) but sheep are usually referred to as a flock when in a group.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 11:07 PM   #102
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Update:

- Shepherd is sued now for neglect. If found guilt he can face up to 5 years in prison. It is however still not clear how the sheep could cross an electric fence and a creek which separated them from the tunnel. Furthermore the association of German sheep breeders stated that sheep don't like to get wet and therefore usually avoid contact with water plus they usually don't venture into tunnels if not forced to. They rather like open grass fields.

- It has surfaced that another ICE had hit a sheep too on the same track several minutes before the major accident with ICE 885. The driver of the other ICE had reported the incident to the HQ in Frankfurt. However, it seems that ICE 885 hadn't been warned of any potential danger.

- A spokesman of the federal transportation ministry said that there have been considerations to fence in all the 10,000km of high speed tracks but concerns that fences might prove to be a dangerous obstacle for rescuers and victims in a train crash have so far caused such plans to be canceled.
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^ Thanks for that update. But if the sheep were fenced in already, an electric fence at that, and blocked further by a creek, what makes the DB think fencing in the track any further will help. These were either flying sheep or somehow led into the tunnel.

On that thought, how could the shepherd be found guilty for neglect if he already fenced the sheep in? Do they expect him to have them on a leash as well?
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First rendering of the accident


The shepherd Norbert W. Is he guilty?
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On that thought, how could the shepherd be found guilty for neglect if he already fenced the sheep in? Do they expect him to have them on a leash as well?
We'll have to wait for answers.
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There have been several cases where ICE trains hit cars, and the ICEs did not derail too.

At saturday evening an ICE in direction Hamburg hit some sheep at the end of Landrückentunnel too, and nothing happened. It was only the ICE to Munich which derailed, Deutsche Bahn says because 20–40 sheep hit the first boogie at the same time.

Why did they touch the bogie? Has anyone heard of wheel guards? seems like an obvious soloution...
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There have been several cases where ICE trains hit cars, and the ICEs did not derail too.

At saturday evening an ICE in direction Hamburg hit some sheep at the end of Landrückentunnel too, and nothing happened. It was only the ICE to Munich which derailed, Deutsche Bahn says because 20–40 sheep hit the first boogie at the same time.

Why did they touch the bogie? Has anyone heard of wheel guards? seems like an obvious soloution...
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Old April 29th, 2008, 08:02 AM   #108
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Its "a herd of sheep" not "a herd of sheeps". You don't need the 's' on the end.
Unless there were two different breeds in the herd.
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^ Thanks for that update. But if the sheep were fenced in already, an electric fence at that, and blocked further by a creek, what makes the DB think fencing in the track any further will help. These were either flying sheep or somehow led into the tunnel.

On that thought, how could the shepherd be found guilty for neglect if he already fenced the sheep in? Do they expect him to have them on a leash as well?
looks like the fence had a hole somewhere. what is remarkable though is how the sheep got there - on tv they showed the location of the tunnel entrance: a tall bridge is leading into the tunnel, and ends right next to the tunnel entrance. the entire area is very hilly, it must have been a hell of a climb for the sheep (or anyone else) to get there.

btw. looks like there was a second accidents of that kind in germany today: a regional train in thuringia collided with a cattle herd ... 7 animals dead.
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Sure? What's about Acela?

The Acela is built just as strong as any other American train. All the extra weight makes it comparatively slow as hell to High Speed but our FRA made sure it was built like a tank.
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Yesterday another German train killed 14 cows, but no people injured.
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The Acela is built just as strong as any other American train. All the extra weight makes it comparatively slow as hell to High Speed but our FRA made sure it was built like a tank.


True, although most trains are indeed "built like tanks" just to be able to withstand collisions.


Still, the mystery lies as to why there are no sufficient wheel guards on modern trains... they could save lives
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Casualties figure has been revised upwards. 75 sheep out of a herd of 152 have died.



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13 cattle killed in another crash with a regional train driving at 90km/h. No human injured.







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An American train probably wouldn't derail due to an animal.
Neither would he ICE, but a herd of 75 sheep trapped in a narrow tunnel is a major obstacle.

Just a few days a go another train hit a cow and nothing serious happend.
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I guess no one is going to answer my question as to why there are no sufficient guards protecting the wheels, seems like to obvious of a solution.
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I guess no one is going to answer my question as to why there are no sufficient guards protecting the wheels, seems like to obvious of a solution.
If it were that obvious a solution all of the very many highly skilled and highly paid railway engineers from all over the world would have thought of it. The ICE is built by probably the most highly skilled train designers on the planet, with equals only in France and Japan.
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Are the high speed trains in Italy fenced in as well? Amtrak seems to have no fencing for its tracks.
YES, HSL tracks in Italy are fenced.
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The Acela is built just as strong as any other American train. All the extra weight makes it comparatively slow as hell to High Speed but our FRA made sure it was built like a tank.
I think Acela is a italian train (Pendolino)
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