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Old February 17th, 2016, 11:26 PM   #261
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I think that's why many people eschew it.
The other reasons are the fact it is interlined with surface automobile traffic and therefore tends to be slow, there is no fare integration with MARTA and the TVMs are user-unfriendly.

I think this will be the poster child for bad planning.
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Old February 18th, 2016, 12:38 AM   #262
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The other reasons are the fact it is interlined with surface automobile traffic and therefore tends to be slow, there is no fare integration with MARTA and the TVMs are user-unfriendly.

I think this will be the poster child for bad planning.
That's not what makes it slow.
It's slow if you need to go three stations in a counter-clockwise direction from where you begin (say, Centennial Park), but have to travel the entire length of the line - clockwise - to get there (say, Woodruff Park). In reality, one should just get off at Park Place, and walk...

That's what makes walking faster for many trips.

People are rather myopic and make too much about separating the ROW...They should have simply built the thing with tracks running in both directions or as a single line. Though, it remains to be seen how service will be operated (likely splitting lines as they run through various portions of the loop) when they begin implementing the rest of the envisioned system.
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Old February 18th, 2016, 01:09 AM   #263
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I can't imagine there's any appetite for expanding on this system in the near future.
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Old February 18th, 2016, 07:28 AM   #264
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They put the cart before the horse IMHO.

They should have been concentrating on the Beltline Light rail plan. Then go ahead and build this loop as a spur that bisects it (loop would need to cross thru Centennial Olympic Park and run thru Georgia Tech and Atlantic Station.)

But most Atlantans are too wrapped up in trying to build more parking garages and double deck the Connector.

...yes, I used to live there...
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Old February 18th, 2016, 04:37 PM   #265
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I can't imagine there's any appetite for expanding on this system in the near future.
Not expanding is the only way to guarantee failure.

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But most Atlantans are too wrapped up in trying to build more parking garages and double deck the Connector.
Fortunately that attitude is changing thanks to the large number of transplants moving into the city.
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Old February 19th, 2016, 02:06 AM   #266
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Fortunately that attitude is changing thanks to the large number of transplants moving into the city.
It's not a matter of attitude, the city is simply not dense enough for trams. And that's not even mentioning the fact that trams are the lowest-tier transportation infrastructure out there. Commuter rail from the suburbs might make sense, but that's about it in Atlanta unless the city gets far denser.
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Old February 19th, 2016, 03:31 AM   #267
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And in the next sentence you'll say the city does not have have the infrastructure to build density.

If Atlanta builds a good permanent network of transit the density will follow. There are plenty of young people who are sick of white flight and are looking to live in dense areas of the city.
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And in the next sentence you'll say the city does not have have the infrastructure to build density.
Atlanta is literally the least dense major city in the ENTIRE WORLD. I could see something like Seattle's version of light rail working if the city could afford it, but heavy rail with such low density or streetcars that go nowhere are useless.
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Old February 19th, 2016, 07:07 AM   #269
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Atlanta is literally the least dense major city in the ENTIRE WORLD. I could see something like Seattle's version of light rail working if the city could afford it, but heavy rail with such low density or streetcars that go nowhere are useless.
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Old February 19th, 2016, 03:31 PM   #270
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Atlanta is literally the least dense major city in the ENTIRE WORLD. I could see something like Seattle's version of light rail working if the city could afford it, but heavy rail with such low density or streetcars that go nowhere are useless.
Yes Atlanta has some very suburban neighborhoods inside the city proper, but there are dense pockets all around the city. Connecting these dense pockets with an efficient transit system would only increase their density and increase the density along the lines connecting them.
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Don't know about the others but Houston is slightly denser than Atlanta inside the city and the metro area.
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It still has pretty much the largest and most well-developed public transportation system in the American South (which, admittedly, isn't a very high bar). It's light-years ahead of both Dallas and Houston, and has much more utility than Miami's Metro. (The Jacksonville 'People Mover' isn't worth mentioning).

The system as it stands now is a good foundation for something bigger. It most definitely needs new lines. Atlanta should stop messing around with the ridiculous streetcar (which largely duplicates existing MARTA service) and work on heavy rail extensions instead, or something like the proposed Beltline.
Atlanta has a much better rail system than both Dallas and Houston. I would say Houston has a better bus system than Atlanta but it's slight. All the cities have much work to do.
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It's painful to see how Atlanta has wasted the federal dollars they got to build marta when that money would have been put to more efficient use in Seattle.
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It's painful to see how Atlanta has wasted the federal dollars they got to build marta when that money would have been put to more efficient use in Seattle.
Wasted? MARTA is the 8th most used transit system in the US and blows Seattle's light rail system completely out of the water in terms of ridership.
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Old February 20th, 2016, 05:43 AM   #275
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Atlanta has a much better rail system than both Dallas and Houston. I would say Houston has a better bus system than Atlanta but it's slight. All the cities have much work to do.
I think Dallas has better connectivity to its suburbs and surrounding cities then Atlanta. Atlanta does have higher ridership...
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Don't know about the others but Houston is slightly denser than Atlanta inside the city and the metro area.
I was going by population per square mile, not construction. Your POV is valid though.
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It's painful to see how Atlanta has wasted the federal dollars they got to build marta when that money would have been put to more efficient use in Seattle.
Seattle got a monorail, Atlanta got a subway. Sounds fair to me.
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Old March 6th, 2016, 07:05 PM   #278
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MARTA Expansion Dies Without a Vote Cast

A bill to put MARTA expansion on an upcoming ballot and let voters decide the issue won't receive a vote in the Georgia State Senate. Had the measure passed, it would have given MARTA the go-ahead to pursue an $8 billion expansion of rail lines farther into northern Fulton county, south of Interstate 20, and along Clifton Corridor.

According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the bill, SB 313, did not make it onto the calendar to receive a vote. The news comes despite broad public support. Polling conducted by the Metro Atlanta Chamber before the legislative session showed a majority of voters from every background were in favor of a tax to expand MARTA. Plus the referendum had support from (some) legislators in Alpharetta, Roswell, and Sandy Springs.

The city councils of Alpharetta and Johns Creek a few days ago passed resolutions to have an impact study conducted before a ballot measure is passed. It's likely that was taken as a sign by other state senators that a decision on the ballot measure should be delayed. Other state senators from the North Fulton region have been publicly opposed to the expansion — and loudly so.

The radical notion that maybe Atlanta should sovereignly allow voters to green-light tax measures, expand MARTA and other transit within city limits, and let suburbs stew in their own traffic muck is sounding better by the day.

One group disappointed with the bill’s failure is MARTA Army, an independent grassroots organization that aims to improve the MARTA ridership experience across the region. Said the MARTA soldiers, in an email to Curbed:

"The MARTA Army regrets that voters won’t be asked about expanding MARTA this year. Although the Army does not endorse specific bills, plans, or modes, we support a vision for world-class transit for the Atlanta Area. Over the last six months, we have held events throughout the region, from Forest Park to Roswell, recruiting more than 250 soldiers to adopt bus stops. They have placed laminated signs at their adopted bus stops with route information, schedules and maps. These volunteers have shown there is a real desire for world-class transit in the Atlanta region."

UPDATE: Robbie Ashe, MARTA Board Chair, sends the following statement:

“We are disappointed voters will not have an opportunity to support MARTA's expansion in the November 2016 election. We deeply appreciate all the support we received from so many individuals and organizations along the way. We remain committed to MARTA's transformation from good to great, and providing first-in-class service to the millions of customers we will serve this year.”
So much for transit expansion.
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I was going by population per square mile, not construction. Your POV is valid though.
I was going by population per square mile as well. Don't know about construction.
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A plan to let the city of Atlanta pursue a $2.5 billion expansion of MARTA scored an improbable victory on the last day of Georgia’s legislative session Thursday, championed by some of the same lawmakers who tried to defeat a similar proposal weeks ago.

The MARTA expansion, which is likely to include a long hoped for light rail system along the Beltline, would be funded with a half-percent sales tax increase that Atlanta voters first have to approve.
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