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Old August 6th, 2012, 12:10 AM   #141
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Do outer Atlantans now have yankee accents?
About 80% of Atlanta is suburbs. 90% of those suburbs are transplants from other places, typically yankees.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 08:14 AM   #142
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It was doomed from the start. I happen to be spending the summer back in Atlanta before work starts up in Tokyo again, and I for one have been utterly frustrated. After spending so much time in Japan, I've gotten so used to just jumping on the train and to any far-flung place without having to worry about gas, parking, insurance, etc. But once again the OTP folks can't agree with the ITP folks on how to get things done, and it'll be another 20 years before we see a proposal that's even worthy enough for the Georgia legislature to place on a ballot.

Some say it's because it was a part of a statewide initiative and who'd get what wasn't clear enough. I say that's hogwash, and I'm sure that there would've been some sort of appropriations system set up had the referendum passed.

Some say ATL metro would've gotten the lion's share of the monies raised. I say, "Of COURSE!" ATL Metro is home to the majority of the taxpayers and greatest network of roads, rail, air, etc. So of course we'd get most of it... That's just common sense! WTH?!

Then others made a valid point about who'd be in charge of the money raised. In the case of the MARTA becoming a regional transit authority (and expanding out of just Fulton and DeKalb counties), there'd have to be a separate vote on that. Instead, I believe GRTA should take over MARTA, GCT, CCT and some of GDOT's duties. In other words, become a real INTEGRATED transit planning planning AND operating body. This is what made Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority (L.A. Metro) so successful. It grew out of RTD and merged some of CalTrans' operations within LA county. Portland Oregon's METRO planning body is another example.

Every major city in the world has a transit planning body that supersedes anything at the very local level, because transit planning is a very regional thing. All these county trasportation commissions, city and county DOTs along with GDOT, MARTA, CCT, GCT, and more-- they're all competing for the same tax dollars that really need to be pooled together and spent on plans that don't compete but rather COMPLEMENT each other.

Until Georgians get that concept right, they're doomed to spend hours stuck on the Downtown Connector sucking fumes.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 06:32 PM   #143
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I'm from Atlanta originally so I can tell you what the problem is:

It has nothing to do with "not understanding" or "who gets what money" it boils straight down to OTP doesn't want blacks and mexicans being able to to get into their neighborhoods.

It's the reason Metro Atlanta is like 11 counties and MARTA is 2.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 10:42 AM   #144
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It has nothing to do with "not understanding" or "who gets what money" it boils straight down to OTP doesn't want blacks and mexicans being able to to get into their neighborhoods.
If that is indeed the case then they failed big time especially considering the fact that Gwinnett County and Cobb County in addition to Clayton County are now either "majority minority" or close, with huge hispanic and black populations (many of whom have also have cars).
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Old August 7th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #145
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If that is indeed the case then they failed big time especially considering the fact that Gwinnett County and Cobb County in addition to Clayton County are now either "majority minority" or close, with huge hispanic and black populations (many of whom have also have cars).
Current problem: Gwinnett and Cobb county's (mostly white) elected officials DO NOT reflect the change in the racial makeup of those counties. You'd be hard pressed to find or name any Latino or African-Americans serving as elected officials in those counties. We can only assume why...

IMHO, the transportation tax failed because the "movers and shakers" didn't stay on message (Transit/Transportation fix vs job creation), and they failed to produce a regional map showing the voting public what the end result would look like.

The roadwork map looked like it had been stabbed in a thousand places and little red bandages were plastered all over the road network to illustrate were the hemorraging (road work) would be patched up. It was not a map to show improvement and expansion.

And, the modes of transportation were confusing (mistrusting) when a rail line could be 1 of 3 things: light rail, bus rapid transit, or preminum buses (but the cost for implementation remained the same price. Really?).
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Old August 16th, 2012, 07:13 AM   #146
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New Atlanta streetcar:


http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/...-flatbed-truck (from Cirrus at SSP)

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Say hello. A spokesman for Mayor Kasim Reed confirms that the above photo, which was posted on the Atlanta subreddit this morning with the tease "Atlanta...say hello to your new streetcar! (sneak peek)," depicts the vehicle that will coast between the King Center and Centennial Olympic Park starting in late 2013. He says the photo was taken at the Siemens facility in Sacramento where the vehicle was assembled. The propulsion systems, once built in Siemens' Cumming Alpharetta location, will be shipped to California to be installed. "Blue is the base color of what the car will look like," the spokesman says. Exterior decals will be added closer to completion.

NOTE: This post has been updated to include new information, including confirmation of the photo's authenticity.

http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/...-flatbed-truck
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http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blo...losing-streak/
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Old March 7th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #147
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How's MARTA rail doing these days?

Btw, what are the operating hours for:
-The Plane Train @ ATL Atlanta International Airport
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-ATL Skytrain

???

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Old March 8th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #148
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I've never understood why American trams are so often 'downtown loop' type systems, rather than lines that actually go somewhere. Why have lines running parallel blocks? If you stretched that line out and ran it down one road it could go much further and service a lot more areas.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 06:14 PM   #149
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They think its a toy only, not a real transportation thing. And you are right. This loop here is silly in my opinion.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 08:10 PM   #150
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They think its a toy only, not a real transportation thing. And you are right. This loop here is silly in my opinion.
Well officials in Atlanta are planning to later extend the streetcar line up Peachtree Street in addition to adding new light rail along the Beltline, this is only the initial segment.

This is what they are planning to build in the future.

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Old March 8th, 2013, 08:16 PM   #151
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How's MARTA rail doing these days?

Btw, what are the operating hours for:
-The Plane Train @ ATL Atlanta International Airport
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-ATL Skytrain

???

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I would guess that the Atlanta Airport Train Systems run 24/7.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 03:39 AM   #152
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Well officials in Atlanta are planning to later extend the streetcar line up Peachtree Street in addition to adding new light rail along the Beltline, this is only the initial segment.

This is what they are planning to build in the future.
I don't get what is the point of practically duplicating MARTA red line with the streetcar. Wouldn't it make more sense to try to build it somewhere else and bring more people closer to the public transport options?
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Old March 11th, 2013, 03:47 AM   #153
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Maybe they're trying to add capacity going northwards?

I imagine that sending it a bit further south towards the stadium would be useful. Surely that area needs some decent PT for games?

Seems that we can all do a better job of planning this street car than Atlanta's transport authority
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Old March 13th, 2013, 01:10 AM   #154
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I've never understood why American trams are so often 'downtown loop' type systems, rather than lines that actually go somewhere. Why have lines running parallel blocks? If you stretched that line out and ran it down one road it could go much further and service a lot more areas.
The route is one-way. So if you put it on one road, you would just have both one-way lines on that road, and it wouldn't stretch any farther.

The map from Transport Politic is outdated. The Peachtree (North-South) streetcar did not get TIGER I money. The downtown streetcar (west one-way on Auburn and east one-way on Edgewood) did get TIGER II funding.

The plan now is to connect the under-construction street-car to the Beltline by expanding it to the east along Edgewood, and eventually to the west as well. In the map below the orange is the existing MARTA heavy-rail, the dark blue is the streetcar, and the light blue is the un-funded expansion. All of this provides service to new areas.

Also of note is that the streetcar is largely seen as a means of economic development. While it will of course have use as a means of transportation, it's only projected to have about 2,600 riders per day, compared to MARTA rail which has over 250,000 riders per day.

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Old March 24th, 2013, 09:17 PM   #155
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Rail installation between Jackson and William H Borders.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
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Old May 18th, 2013, 11:05 PM   #156
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We're pouring the track slab on the first section of Auburn Avenue and preparing for the construction of the King Historic District Stop!

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Atlanta Streetcar Video

Atlanta Streetcar - Entire Loop 2.7 Miles - 7/30/2013:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LV9021EUO0

Centennial Olympic Park to Woodruff Park:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8K8Y7fWt1A

Woodruff Park to 75/85 Connector:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vv1jNv6vQ

75/85 Connector to King Historic District:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWDdc4EL9Q8

King Historic District to 75/85:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPRp2cZAvGk

75/85 Connector to Woodruff Park:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XUpWT6VA94

Woodruff Park to Centennial Olympic Park:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjNP1cO14fY

Have you ever wondered how two steel rails are connected? It's done by a process called "Thermite Welding." I caught the tail end of the process:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwW-s_WA56w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjn7Sxwcuw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFOmXa0u83w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptEZOz_49_c

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Signs of the Streetcar as Seen in Atlanta

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Love it or hate it, Cincinnati's modern streetcar project finally broke ground last year after being upheld by voters twice. Meanwhile, several other American cities, such as Atlanta, are also building modern streetcar lines.

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- Atlanta Streetcar construction on NE Peachtree St. Ronny Salerno

I had the opportunity to visit Atlanta over the weekend, where their new streetcar line is on track for a 2014 opening. Crews were finishing up laying the rails for a route that will connect several destinations in downtown with existing bus and rail stops along the city's MARTA transportation system. In Cincinnati, we'll soon see rails like these laid in the streets as the Queen City joins the ranks of Atlanta, Seattle, Portland, Charlotte, Houston and several other cities with modern rail systems.

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Atlanta Streetcar Construction on Nw. Ellis St. Ronny Salerno

Currently in Cincinnati, utilities are being relocated and the vehicles have been ordered. The streetcar's opening in 2016 will mark the first time Cincinnati has had rail transit since 1951.


- An Atlanta Streetcar vehicle being assembled. Image via: Atlanta Streetcar on Facebook.

Believe it or not, despite the project being supported by voters in not one, but two special referendums -and with it currently under construction - John Cranley has promised to kill the project if elected mayor of Cincinnati this November.

Remember, we almost had a subway once too.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 12:07 AM   #159
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Atlanta Streetcar Construction by Central Atlanta Progress, on Flickr

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Early morning concrete pour by Central Atlanta Progress, on Flickr

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Transportation officials now expect the Atlanta Streetcar's initial 2.7-mile loop to open sometime in May, as opposed to April, as was previously expected. But that's not the biggest streetcar news of the week: The city was recently named a Federal Transit Administration grant designee. That means, for the first time, Atlanta will be able to apply directly for federal funding — instead of relying on MARTA to apply on its behalf — when it comes time to expand the streetcar system, WABE reports. With T-SPLOST's bludgeoning at the polls last year, officials say federal funding is crucial for developing a more extensive streetcar network. About half of the current streetcar project's $100 million bill is being footed by the feds.

When the streetcar loop begins service, all rides will be free for the first three months. Officials have said the 2.7-mile route will have 12 stops and an estimated 15 minutes between trains. After the free-ride period, rides will cost just $1 for a while, until MARTA upgrades its Breeze Card system to accommodate the light-rail route. A project leader also noted recently that traffic lights along the route will be adjusted, in hopes of keeping the streetcar from being mired in congestion.
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