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Old July 1st, 2010, 04:08 AM   #21
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OK, cut this crap, we do not understand each other, or don't want to. For people who are not traditional 'west', this term is more connected with some values than with others. For example, people in East Germany had some idea of 'west', and did know what they mean by saying it, even being in the west themselves (by many criteria). I'm not going in to details... leave it, please
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OK, cut this crap, we do not understand each other, or don't want to. For people who are not traditional 'west', this term is more connected with some values than with others. For example, people in East Germany had some idea of 'west', and did know what they mean by saying it, even being in the west themselves (by many criteria) I'm not going in to details... leave it, please
I'm inclined to think YOU don't understand if you think there is one square meter of the Italian peninsula that is not Western.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 04:12 AM   #23
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Well, I may introduce you to some Italian people who believe that their all south is in fact a part of the North Africa GET IT?!
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Old July 1st, 2010, 04:14 AM   #24
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Old July 1st, 2010, 04:18 AM   #25
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Glad we worked this one out More pics to come when I get some sleep

EDIT: And I agree that the term 'west/westernized' wasn't the most adequate one I could use for what I ment to describe, since not all of us here in the international section can have close enough points of view to declare something like that and not been misunderstood.

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Old July 1st, 2010, 04:22 AM   #26
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These arguments you get typically from Northern Europeans. Not from the Balkans, exactly.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 05:20 AM   #27
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Guys, please stop discussing. This thread is too good for that.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:08 PM   #28
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OK, so here are the fresh pics from Madrid, I really enjoyed the stay

This is the main square - Puerta del Sol
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From this spot shopping and pedestrian streets are starting in all directions, and it is very lively in any time of day or night
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Calle de la Montera, connecting Puerta del Sol and Gran Via, packed with tourists and prostitutes
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What was very interesting are these tiled street signs, illustrating the name
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Teatro Real
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Palacio Real – it very much reminded me of Wien or Budapest castle, and it has something to do with Habsburg’s being in charge for almost 200 years
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Cathedral opposite of the palace, finally finished in 1993.
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Templo de Debod, a park with a beautiful views of west Madrid
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Plaza de Espana
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This is where the most imposing street (for me) starts - Gran Via. Also, a very hip shopping destination
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Heading east
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Palace Telefonica
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Metropolis building, motif from all postcards
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The City Hall has been reconstructed. Up until 2006 this was the post office
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Nearby Spanish lover house of Parliament, with modern extension [IMG]http://i48.************/15cm1dx.jpg[/IMG]

Hotel Palace
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Puerta de Alcala
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:11 PM   #29
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A coulpe of night shots:

Puerta del sol
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Gran Via
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But Malasana and Chueca are the districts where all the fun is [IMG]http://i48.************/1e2gpd.jpg[/IMG]

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Old July 1st, 2010, 03:28 PM   #30
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Wonderful pictures, Liman, of both cities.

DO you have something of Madrid´s new museums and the skyscrapers?

That would be great, I´m sure, seeing th images you have posted.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 04:06 PM   #31
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Of course, thanks for the comment

Here we go...

Passeo del Prado, in front of a famous museum.
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Museo del Prado, with a modern addition
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Salamanca is the most fancy part of the city, there are a lot of high-class shops here, very pleasant district
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Nearby Park Retiro, it is vast and has several lakes... Great for siestas
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Main railroad station, Atocha, with wonderful tropical interior
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This is a view from Reina Sofia museum. The new addition by Jean Nouvel is marvelous, definitive a must!
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Caixa forum across the Prado is also a very important new architecture star in the city
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And here are the Cuatro Torres – the newest part of ‘Madrid’s City’, now they look like in middle of nowhere, but I’m sure they’ll fit in perfectly.
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Torre Caja Madrid, designed by Norman Foster, the highest in complex with 250m,
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and only 0.5m taller than Torre de Cristal
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A view through ‘Puerta del Europa’
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Heading to the south is Estadio Santiago Bernabéu
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and a business district from the ’80 which I wanted to see. Torre Picasso, highest in complex, was designed by the architect of the destroyed WTC in NYC
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And this is how a residential area next to it looks like. It is very lively, with more shops and cafes... not dull at all as some might expect
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Old July 1st, 2010, 04:34 PM   #32
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Bullfighting, had to see it, and do not regret, really something special!
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And some street scenes for the end...

This is the area around Plaza Mayor, maybe the most picturesque for me
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The oldest (recently renovated) hotel in Spain from 1610, Posada del Peine
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One of the gates to Plaza Mayor
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and Plaza itself, a favorite tourist spot in the city
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Arco de Cuchilleros
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Chueca and Malasana, very laid-back districts, with lots of cool bars and shops [IMG]http://i49.************/28v7ifm.jpg[/IMG]

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Calle Fuencarral, main shopping street in Chueca
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Lavapies and Latina, mainly immigrant parts, not the safest, but maybe the most memorable
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Sunday flea market El Rastro
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That’s it, hope you enjoyed, and I want to go back as soon as possible!
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Old July 1st, 2010, 04:57 PM   #33
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Wonderful pics, I'd like to know which city you liked better.

I know it's a tough choice but, if you had to choose one of these cities to visit for the last time of your life, which one would it be?
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Old July 1st, 2010, 05:25 PM   #34
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Stop the silly comments! pictures are nice it's a pity you didn't come this may to Barcelona though! cos both the Cathedral and the National Museum of Art of Catalonia renovation works are finished and they look so much prettier! :-)
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Old July 1st, 2010, 05:29 PM   #35
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Great pics of both cities, i don't want more politic discussions in the thread, i think some people just should travel a bit more, it cures fanatisms.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 05:44 PM   #36
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Wonderful pics, I'd like to know which city you liked better.

I know it's a tough choice but, if you had to choose one of these cities to visit for the last time of your life, which one would it be?
Well, if I must... Both cities have a lot to offer, and definitely are not to be missed! For Barcelona, having a coast line is obviously a plus, it is a very charming city with great atmosphere, sophisticated, calm... But for me personally, Madrid was more inspiring, more attractive and fun! It is monumental - but very humane, crowded - but still you don't feel ever lost, posh, dirty, loud... A city with impressive energy, so yes, my heart goes to Madrid, loved it!

Glad you guys like the pictures, and I'm also sorry that thread went the wrong way with comments...
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Old July 1st, 2010, 05:59 PM   #37
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awesome thread and pictures, thanks for sharing
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Old July 1st, 2010, 06:46 PM   #38
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Very nice thread. I had fun viewing.
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A very brief correction, the royal palace as it stands was built after the old "Alcazar" or Fortress that existed through the Habsburg period burned down during the reign of Felipe V, the first of the Spanish Bourbons.

The current royal palace was first inhabited by Carlos III, the son of Felipe V and the Medici/Tuscany and Farnese/Parma heiress, Isabel of Parma. As Carlos III was previously Carlo VII of Naples, you can clearly see the Italianate influence of this half-Italian king.



This second batch of shots is amazing, not surprising given how great the first was.
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Lovely thread!! Thanks very much of the pictures of both cities, which are wonderful (what can I say?).

Liman, I loved you walked a lot in the cities and didn´t stay only into the bitten track.
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