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Old October 10th, 2010, 05:39 PM   #741
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Old October 11th, 2010, 04:25 AM   #742
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I like lots of old architecture. The photos shown here depict an expanse of new buildings, and ones that aren't very interesting.
To hell with a majority of Hong Kong and all of Dubai then. Modern architecture's irrelevant and it means nothing! All of it should be demolished, we should also start adapting to the horse and carriage mode of transportation again. F*&% change!
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Old October 11th, 2010, 09:10 AM   #743
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Oh good lord how much longer are you guys going to be milking this? Is this the first time you've ever heard anyone criticize Toronto? He explained why he doesn't like the look of Toronto: he prefers lots of grand historic architecture. And for all of Toronto's strengths, its "grand architecture" isn't exactly one of them. Its newer buildings tend to be either concrete and utilitarian or sleek and minimalist, while most of the older buildings tend to be rather staid unlike in cities such as Boston, Madrid, or Montreal. It isn't filled with grand cathedrals, soaring domes, stately row houses or sweeping boulevards. So for people who place the greatest value on these things, the city will not be very impressive. The city has plenty of other amazing attributes such as the height and density of the core, colour and vitality of the street life, organic and unpretentious nature of the urban fabric, etc. It all depends on people's preferences.

Btw, this looks like quite an amazing tour shyman! Glad to see you were able to well document it for us.
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Old October 11th, 2010, 11:24 AM   #744
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Thanks...

I will be back in a few days for more Toronto photos.
I still have to pick the shots worthy of posting from the remaining hundreds in my archive
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Old October 11th, 2010, 04:31 PM   #745
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Shyaman, I am impatiently waiting for your Montreal photos
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I guess you have to wait for another week or two.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 10:44 PM   #747
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That makes 2!
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Old October 13th, 2010, 02:37 AM   #748
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Oh good lord how much longer are you guys going to be milking this? Is this the first time you've ever heard anyone criticize Toronto? He explained why he doesn't like the look of Toronto: he prefers lots of grand historic architecture. And for all of Toronto's strengths, its "grand architecture" isn't exactly one of them. Its newer buildings tend to be either concrete and utilitarian or sleek and minimalist, while most of the older buildings tend to be rather staid unlike in cities such as Boston, Madrid, or Montreal. It isn't filled with grand cathedrals, soaring domes, stately row houses or sweeping boulevards. So for people who place the greatest value on these things, the city will not be very impressive. The city has plenty of other amazing attributes such as the height and density of the core, colour and vitality of the street life, organic and unpretentious nature of the urban fabric, etc. It all depends on people's preferences.

Btw, this looks like quite an amazing tour shyman! Glad to see you were able to well document it for us.
But to say that Toronto's heritage architecture isn't grand is simply wrong. It is a strength of the city with landmarks like Union Station, Casa Loma, Old City Hall, Osgoode Hall, Queen's Park, St. Lawrence Hall, Commerce Court North, Trinity College, University College, and King's College Circle. Many of these buildings are comparable to the best built in their time anywhere. The Annex house and the Bay and Gable are beautiful original styles of heritage housing unique to the city. Toronto's red brick Victorian streetscapes are definitely a strength, albeit characterized by subtle design details. There are beautiful stone Gothic churches that can be found deep into our streetcar suburbs and our cathedrals, while being more modest than many other cities, are still quite attractive and worth a look. We're just tired of our city being misinterpreted. Our architecture heritage is rich with many buildings steeped in grandeur.

For a little taste, I would argue that the Princes' Gates are the grandest gates in North America:

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Maybe we shouldn't have made such a big deal about a very ignorant person who also said Toronto seemed lifeless, who could perhaps be expected to say next that Montreal looks like a small, provincial town.
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People from Toronto have massive insecurity complexes, like Midwestern Americans. In fact, Toronto basically is Midwest America.

Montreal and Quebec City are the most beautiful cities in Canada in terms of architecture.

Anyway, the arch above looks like the entrance to the Manhattan Bridge on Canal Street in NY's Chinatown.

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People from Toronto have massive insecurity complexes, like Midwestern Americans. In fact, Toronto basically is Midwest America.

Anyway, the arch above looks like the entrance to the Manhattan Bridge on Canal Street in NY's Chinatown.
No, we're just working hard building our metropolis at this important time for in our city's development and will not tolerate snobbery, so give it a rest. Canada's best contemporary architecture is concentrated here today. Toronto is Canadian, a place of multiculturalism, the centre of hockey, a place of streetcars among Victorian low-rise streetscapes, the economic heart of one of the world's wealthiest nations, and a city safer than any comparable American city. We are distinct from any American city.

In terms of the gates, it's not just about the arch, it's about the gates. The grandeur is in the width. The curves of that entrance diminish its grandeur. Perhaps that's a strength because it seems more intimate; Beaux-Arts structures and design tend to end up feeling quite cold and desolate, as Jane Jacobs, a great New York and Toronto resident, observed. But that was just a taste meant to spur interest in the other fine landmarks on the list.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 09:35 AM   #752
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The discussion is interesting, but please don't let it become insulting. Thank you!
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Old October 14th, 2010, 10:15 AM   #753
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But to say that Toronto's heritage architecture isn't grand is simply wrong. It is a strength of the city with landmarks like Union Station, Casa Loma, Old City Hall, Osgoode Hall, Queen's Park, St. Lawrence Hall, Commerce Court North, Trinity College, University College, and King's College Circle. Many of these buildings are comparable to the best built in their time anywhere. The Annex house and the Bay and Gable are beautiful original styles of heritage housing unique to the city. Toronto's red brick Victorian streetscapes are definitely a strength, albeit characterized by subtle design details. There are beautiful stone Gothic churches that can be found deep into our streetcar suburbs and our cathedrals, while being more modest than many other cities, are still quite attractive and worth a look. We're just tired of our city being misinterpreted. Our architecture heritage is rich with many buildings steeped in grandeur.

For a little taste, I would argue that the Princes' Gates are the grandest gates in North America:
I must say that I disagree. Of course there are always exceptions, but when I said Toronto's strength wasn't in its grand architecture and that it's historic buildings tend to be rather staid, I should have known someone would make a point of arguing that the exceptions someone invalidate the overall trend. But I was referring to the architectural baseline, not a small number of the city's most cherished architectural masterpieces. Toronto does have a few elaborately designed historic buildings, but the vast majority of the built form is either much simpler and provincial historic architecture, or fairly utilitarian contemporary architecture. This is not to say that the historic architectural portfolio is an area of weakness, it just isn't an area of strength compared to the leading cities in this regard.

There are some cities where (at least in the more central areas) the architectural baseline is made of elaborate historical buildings with a few exceptions here and there, as opposed to the elaborate historical buildings being the exception. Take a look of photo threads of Buenos Aeries, Madrid, and Boston (extreme), Mexico City, Montreal and Philadelphia (moderate) for examples. The fact is, greater Toronto's population in 1950 was about 1,250,000, and in 1900 was about 440,000 at which time it was neither national capital nor largest/dominant city so it should not come as a surprise that the bulk of the built form is not made of grand historic buildings.

When you say you're tired of the city being misinterpreted, I think the real mistake is assuming that the city needs to lead in every category in order for it to be appreciated. There are some people who won't like it just like some people don't like NY, Paris, Tokyo and each of the world's most beloved cities. But that's no reason to fall into the "needs to be best at everything" trap. That's just not a realistic expectation, and it will only make you appear defensive and arrogant.
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