#Project: Brisbane Cross River Rail (Planning Phase)

[SM247]

Originally Posted by BrizzyChris

SM247, how far along/serious is the govt. into planning this route?

Not very (if at all). It's all concept stuff.

I largely agree with CKF - unless some density is going to happen that way (doubtful), it will be a bit of a lame-duck and will only provide 2 advantages to offset the significant cost:
- a route to allow already packed Caboolture, Redcliffe and Sunshine Coast trains a slightly quicker journey into town due to the better engineering tolerances that will be possible
- a commuter collection system for the Albany Creek/McDowall/Everton Park area.

A similar set-up between Beenleigh and the city via Loganholme and parts of the South-East Busway alignment would be more beneficial than a Trouts Road route for now. It would serve a greater number of major centres, get rid of capacity issues on the southside and allow a massive, high-frequency bus network using the existing fleet to serve interchange stations.

I think it would ultimately be of greater use to have a VFT route from the Sunshine Coast to Brisbane Airport to the Gold Coast than worrying about the 'inter-city' route Connecting SEQ 2031 might put forward using Trouts Road and the Beenleigh line. It would need to be 1435mm gauge and anticipate connection to a national network (perhaps even spur on its development, why should we wait for NSW to get its act together?)

I have no real issue with Ferny Grove staying as is, but I would be agreeable with it being diverted.

[sweetchariot]

Originally Posted by joninbrisbane

as per the latest documents, the tunnel surfaces before exhibition station.

ahhh cheers, i didn't think to look for them again - they weren't there yesterday morning. they are here if anyone else wants more detail

http://www.crossriverrail.qld.gov.au...d=65&Itemid=93

it seems the park rd station has been moved too - now the emphasis is on connecting with the busway to UQ - which makes sense.

i should also be calling it the CRR.. not CCR.

[sweetchariot]

Originally Posted by crazyknightsfan

Your post shows a complete lack of understanding of the key principles of the project.

thankyou, sir, for updating me. next time rather than carrying on like a wanker you could just post the actual information first time, rather than wasting time with your attitude?

[crazyknightsfan]

Originally Posted by sweetchariot

thankyou, sir, for updating me. next time rather than carrying on like a wanker you could just post the actual information first time, rather than wasting time with your attitude?

or you could read the thread where it had already been stated. kthxbai

[crazyknightsfan]

Originally Posted by crazyknightsfan

That does seem a little unusual but, assuming the river crossing hasn't influenced the location, perhaps they are trying to make a busway interchange there?

Apparently they will be rebuilding the busway interchange on top of the proposed ‘gabba Station, as well demolishing a lot of buildings on SG-owned land in the vicinity (eg Go Print) to create a new ‘urban village’ type TOD.

[SoulvisionQ1]

How the station will look:

http://www.crossriverrail.qld.gov.au...albert_str.pdf

Excellent idea about the safety glass on the platforms. Most of the MTR stations in Hong Kong have them now. It allows for more people on the actual platform because crowding can occur without people falling on the tracks. I was squashed up against that very glass last New Years Eve in HK.

[SM247]

Originally Posted by SoulvisionQ1

Excellent idea about the safety glass on the platforms.

What I have seen indicates the doors will be spaced with provision for 4 doors per carriage, but that this will align with the current 2-door configuration - no idea whether they will have doors fitted but locked, or just not installed.

That gives you 36 doors per platform potentially if they go with 9-car trains, so that's some serious off-loading capacity.

[yuma]

Im probably just really blind here but have they announced how many tracks they are putting in this tunnel, Is it just 2 or is it more?

[KJBrissy]

This imagine indicates only two:



Also, putting in more tracks I'd imagine would be more expensive than building a whole new line seeing it is cheaper to located stations under roads and not highrises.

[TOCC]

a article today indicated they were looking at having portals to the stadium at various places across the CBD including QUT, QSM, Riverside and the Botanical Gardens...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/quee...ml?autostart=1

Seems a little strange, by 'portal' im assuming the mean a entrance, but why would you have a tunnels running under the city like that, just adds to the cost rather unecessarily.

[crazyknightsfan]

^ Seems little different to the stations in Sydney CBD. It makes sense to have weather protection and grade-separation from road traffic for station access where possible.

[Alphaville]

I'm really excited about this project.

It's going to be amazing two see two substantial underground lines built in Australia at roughly the same time.

That hasn't happened since the Melbournes City Loop and Sydney's ESR were built in the 1970's

[TOCC]

Originally Posted by crazyknightsfan

^ Seems little different to the stations in Sydney CBD. It makes sense to have weather protection and grade-separation from road traffic for station access where possible.

im not completely with Sydneys CBD stations, but do they have portals spaced out over 600m?
I mean, Botanical Gardens to QSM is 600m North-South, likewise Riverside to QUT, its about 500m East-West

[tayser]

re: Albert Street station, it should have a 50+ level building on top of it, I know it's preliminary, but you'd hope for a better surface outcome than what's in that video given how scarce space in Brisbane's CBD is.

Regardless, having two major rail tunnelling projects could be beneficial to the whole country - all the manpower required to design, cost and ultimately manage is something we lack in this country.

[Fyver]

How deep exactly is Vision Towers hole at the moment out of curiosity?

[crazyknightsfan]

Originally Posted by TOCC

im not completely with Sydneys CBD stations, but do they have portals spaced out over 600m?
I mean, Botanical Gardens to QSM is 600m North-South, likewise Riverside to QUT, its about 500m East-West

Wynyard, St James and Museum would not be far off this. You can also goa fair way underground through shopping arcades from Town Hall.

While it is probably not necessary, it is definitely a value add that is better done now than later.

[Map Born]

Let's get this straight, only 1 new location for a CBD station, the rest are duplicates/cross-overs at Roma St & Central.

Where are the stations for the public service precinct between Mary and Alice Sts along George and near the uni?

Where is the Eagle St station or there abouts around Charlotte and Elizabeth Sts?

Where is the station for Spring Hill beyond the gradient to access the existing Central station?

Why is Brisbane so damn set on making people walk a long way to train stations in the CBD? All this efficiency rubbish.

If it's good enough for Sydney and Melbourne to have proper rings of stations and even Perth has Perth, Underground, Esplanade, McIver etc further out, then why not for Brisbane?

A govt keen to look busy doing something but not enough.

[Orfeo]

^
you mean other than the fact that the Brisbane CBD is much smaller?

put a station at approximately the corner of albert and charlotte
-Qut: 500m away
-Eagle Street: 500m away
-Queen Street: 25m away
-Roma Street station: 900m away

this is not very far at all.

The distance between town hall-wynard 900m, the distance betweent wynard-circular key 900m: in other words, exactly what we're getting.

do you really only want 250m between stations, especially considering the length of the platforms?

[JayT]

Originally Posted by tayser

re: Albert Street station, it should have a 50+ level building on top of it, I know it's preliminary, but you'd hope for a better surface outcome than what's in that video given how scarce space in Brisbane's CBD is.

Agreed. Thing is I can't even work out exactly where that site is? I mean Albert Street has large buildings along it for most of the way.

Anyone else have any idea?

Also something I find more exciting is the addition of underground platforms at Roma Street. This station will probably end up being the busiest in the city. Hopefully they will do up the rest of the station while they're at it.

[S2563323]

thats what I was thinking, maybe we will see the transit centre redevelopment happen when this does! And i agree, slap a magnificent tall building on top, or at least have the provisions for one.