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Old March 7th, 2015, 12:59 PM   #201
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That NIMBY "alternative" corridor, is nothing more than a Paint-job, is it? I guess it is not even remotely realistic when considered objetively, is it?

And why you would like to be surrounded by rail on 3 sides when the official proposal is is suggesting a much shorter track just on one side. Moreover the official proposal is at least 1 km away from any major settlement, whereas the NIMBY proposal gets much closer to Jaunmarupe. But the total madness is that they have a highway just next door, much closer than any rail corridor would be. I am not even sure the railway will be able to compete with the highway in noise or other inconvinience in any way. ... this is just crazy.

Build 2-3 unterpasses, add some noise protection and be done with it. Still a lot cheaper than the alternative madness which the NIMBYs propose.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 01:52 PM   #202
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The official route cuts through a new village, called Vētras, currently with only a couple of houses. But it doesn't matter in the big scheme of things. Still, the NIMBYs are crazy and would like the project to not go through Mārupe. At one time they even suggested that the only Rail Baltica station in Latvia should be in a field near Salaspils!!! The NIMBYs are very negative and think that they won't ever use the railway which probably won't be true.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 07:13 PM   #203
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Rail Baltica is causing quite a stir in public. Currently, "Rail Baltica" is the most trending name on Twitter in Latvia - some of that are tweets of anger against RB while, I guess most, are tweets that are making fun of NIMBYs: claiming that they are rednecks, hillbillies and that they should be shown the Lumieres Brothers' film so they would no longer be so afraid of trains
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Old March 7th, 2015, 11:21 PM   #204
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what track gauge does latvia uses?
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Old March 7th, 2015, 11:30 PM   #205
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1520mm

some narrow gauge lines are 600 and 750mm

The Rail Baltica railway will be 1435mm European gauge.
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Old March 8th, 2015, 07:31 PM   #206
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The official route cuts through a new village, called Vētras, currently with only a couple of houses. But it doesn't matter in the big scheme of things. Still, the NIMBYs are crazy and would like the project to not go through Mārupe. At one time they even suggested that the only Rail Baltica station in Latvia should be in a field near Salaspils!!! The NIMBYs are very negative and think that they won't ever use the railway which probably won't be true.
Yes, a couple of houses. If a couple of houses would be enough to make a new rail route unacceptable, then you can forget about any new infrastructure, forever. But apparently, people don't see such a huge problem with the sort of highway going across the same area, affecting a lot more homes much more directly and being additionally a terrible barrier for everything other than cars, or is there any proper and safe possibility to cross it as pedestrian?

So what is the impact of this theatre on the real project? None? Or is there a risk that those NIMBYs might dearil the Riga connector?
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Old March 8th, 2015, 08:43 PM   #207
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Which road are you referring to? I'm guessing it's either A5 or P132. Both are regular 90 kph 1+1 roads with not that much traffic - not actual highways by definition. So in that sense it's easy to cross both. But none of them have any actual pedestrian paths paralleling them, nor any pedestrian crossings, nor any streetlights.

The A5 and P132 has a two-level interchange but, again, there are no sidewalks: in order to cross the A5, pedestrians must walk on the weeds on the side of the road embankment and then cross the bridge via a very narrow sidewalk. And to get to the bus (there's two city bus routes on P132, both are hourly) one must walk on the shoulder of the road. At night by our laws it means that one must wear a hi visibility jacket! I think that this is more of an inconvenience than a railway.

Except for A5 near Jaunmārupe, the roads don't have any trees that block the sound.
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Old March 10th, 2015, 02:23 AM   #208
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is there some forecast to conclusion of rail baltica?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 05:47 PM   #209
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Construction should start in 2020 and finish in 2025.

Though I seriously doubt that it's possible to build two bridges over Daugava, reconstruct Central station, build a tunnel under Āgenskalns and build 240 km of railway in just 5 years.

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I forgot to mention -- the NIMBYs DON'T have the rights to make it possible to derail the project
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Old March 10th, 2015, 09:04 PM   #210
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Baltica I (old line upgrade) has made a Valga-Rīga express service possible. Journey times are to be reduced by 40(!) minutes, starting late March.
Which is the source? Does it well connect to Tartu and Tallinn in Estonia?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 10:31 PM   #211
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Source in Latvian http://www.edruva.lv/zinas/sabiedriba/zina/42358
We're still waiting for a press release and the actual timetable from Pasažieru vilciens


And sadly, no - the train doesn't connect to any services to/from Tartu direction because it leaves Valga early in the morning and arrives back at Valga late in the evening. And this is the only daily train to Valga... Since February only on weekends there are 3 services to Valga. Of which 1 is connecting to a Valga-Tallinn / Tallinn-Valga service.
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Old March 13th, 2015, 10:06 PM   #212
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Which road are you referring to? I'm guessing it's either A5 or P132. Both are regular 90 kph 1+1 roads with not that much traffic - not actual highways by definition. So in that sense it's easy to cross both. But none of them have any actual pedestrian paths paralleling them, nor any pedestrian crossings, nor any streetlights.

The A5 and P132 has a two-level interchange but, again, there are no sidewalks: in order to cross the A5, pedestrians must walk on the weeds on the side of the road embankment and then cross the bridge via a very narrow sidewalk. And to get to the bus (there's two city bus routes on P132, both are hourly) one must walk on the shoulder of the road. At night by our laws it means that one must wear a hi visibility jacket! I think that this is more of an inconvenience than a railway.

Except for A5 near Jaunmārupe, the roads don't have any trees that block the sound.
This sounds horrible. And even though there is this terrible lack of pedestrian infrastructure, bad and/or simply sleazy road design and they have nothing better to do than trying to prevent a new railroad corridor which will be designed to modern European standards?
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Old March 13th, 2015, 10:30 PM   #213
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It's the (moderately)wealthy suburbs - they think that they can get everywhere by car and they don't need any trains or walking. Interestingly, of the 15 000 inhabitants, they've gotten only ~950 signatures for Rail Baltica rerouting
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Old March 16th, 2015, 10:46 PM   #214
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Progress with RailBaltica is very slow, isn't it? Why is that?
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Old March 17th, 2015, 12:42 AM   #215
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What do you mean? Sure, it took a long time to get started but now everything should be going according to schedule, AFAIK. The planning process started in 2014 and that takes several years. The construction itself won't start before 2018. I guess we will have to see when it will be finished but not before 2024 and more like 2025-26 (if we are being realistic).
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That was my impression. Anyway I'm glad it will be ready someday.
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BTW, the joint company between Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania applied for the first amount of EU funds in February which amounts to € 540 million - € 213 million to Estonia, € 291 million to Latvia and € 28 million to Lithuania.
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Latvian Railways, hoping to save the services, has announced a 45% discount for sleeper tickets to Russia

The discount doesn't apply to the seating car. So a Rīga-Moscow in seating car will still be around 40€ while a ticket in platzkart will decrease from 83€ to 43€. Interestingly, now, if you want to travel in platzkart within the borders of Latvia, it is cheaper (by as much as 10€) to buy a ticket to the first stop in Russia instead of the station you need.

First picture of modernized DMUs taking shape


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It's possible that they won't be completed in time. In part due to some problems with the project's paperwork and the fact that the factory is also busy with getting the Estonian EMUs back to life for Azerbaijan.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 01:26 PM   #219
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Why is there a drop off in travel to Russia from the Baltic Nations?
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In 2013 there were 161 900 trips (not railway trips but in total) made by Latvians to Russia. And 332 600 trips made by Russians to Latvia. So I assume think that the most serious drop is not from Baltic states to Russia but instead from Russia to the Baltics.

And the main reason behind this are the exchange rates between the ruble and the euro. Because with the same amount of money now you can buy much less in Latvia than before. And also a bit of propaganda that Europe is uninviting and even hazardous for Russians.

It's actually quite sad - up until now during summers we had two trains per night to Moscow and both were 20 cars long which is the maximum that our stations allow.
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