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Old July 21st, 2010, 08:36 AM   #81
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Old July 21st, 2010, 09:01 AM   #82
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Old July 21st, 2010, 09:28 AM   #83
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And why, if I might ask? There's a normal, civilized discussion going on here. I didn't read a single insult in this thread.
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Old July 21st, 2010, 10:41 AM   #84
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Not this kind of index

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Old July 21st, 2010, 10:54 AM   #85
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I see it that way: many (sometimes all) of commuter trains were called S-bahn and run with other (real) S-bahn trains in Zurich S-bahn system according to one (unified) tariff.
There are even a couple of peak hour services that are just designated with an "S", without a route number...
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Old July 21st, 2010, 10:56 AM   #86
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Have you been to the outskirts of Zurich at some point at all?
E. g. the region between Winterthur and Lenzburg or both shores of Lake Zurich are very urban.
Btw., S-Bahn can stand for Schnellbahn as well. Afaik, in Switzerland the term S-Bahn is used without being the short form for some concept.
In Zug it's officially "Stadtbahn Zug", not S-Bahn btw...
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Old July 21st, 2010, 11:04 AM   #87
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So what? Change happens. The original idea is "lost" and then replaced by new ideas. It's always been that way.
Not really. You'l never call a boy as "Hey, girl!". We use words for marking objects and ideas and it is useless if the same word can mark different things. Everybody know what is the difference between a girl and a boy and if you say "girl" no one will think about a boy.
I always thought the idea of S-Bahn is clear enough and even if the technical solutions change (note that even Hamburg differs from Berlin!) if the main idea is the same you can call it as an S-Bahn.
I think it is true for the main network of S-Bahn Zürich - bot not for Forchbahn which is actually an LRT or the Thurbo lines of the eastern area.
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Old July 21st, 2010, 11:05 AM   #88
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In Zug it's officially "Stadtbahn Zug", not S-Bahn btw...
Stadtbahn Zug is the part of S-Bahn Zentralschweiz...
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Old July 21st, 2010, 12:01 PM   #89
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If an S-Bahn were meant for agglomeration-wide rail services it would be called A-Bahn. It just isn't. It's short for Stadtschnellbahn as it emphasises the urban character. But there are simply not enough urban areas in the agglomeration Zürich to give reason for this name.
An example of a fairly old system which runs to the suburbs is the Copenhagen S-Tog.

Sometimes you just have to accept that similar names might mean different things: the Porto Metro is light rail, Paris Metro runs mostly intra-muros, the London metro is not called metro and very very suburban, while in your example Berlin, Metro is a bus or a tram!

The main reason to call the Porto light rail Metro or the Zürich suburban rail S-Bahn is that these brands have a positive image and therefore they can attract people out of their cars and into the services. Isn't that the main goal?

(NOTE: of course if the passengers would be disappointed by a lower quality of service then they expected by the name, now that would be a problem. But I do not think that is the case in Zürich -- or Porto.)
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Old July 21st, 2010, 12:38 PM   #90
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As for me the word S-Bahn is OK for the main lines in Zürich (Hirschgrabentunnel-based network of SBB). But it is nonsense to calling this way the Forchbahn wich is actually a tram or the Thurbo network east of Zürich.
Unlike metro S-Bahn is (was for decades) a very clear idea. Berlin, Hamburg, München, etc., very similar systems having different technical solutions but the same idea. Actually it was Zürich in 1990 that broke the tradition by using the word S-Bahn not only for the central network but for all regional lines in and around Zürich.
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Old July 21st, 2010, 05:16 PM   #91
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So...?Because I don't understand it at all what you mean...
Sorry. There were two prototypes. #51, the low floor O405GNTD, and #1, an O405GTZ with high floor like the others but with three doors instead of four.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 02:10 PM   #92
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Sorry. There were two prototypes. #51, the low floor O405GNTD, and #1, an O405GTZ with high floor like the others but with three doors instead of four.
Oh,now I see
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Pictures from the construction at the Escher-Wyss-Square for the new tram Zürich West.
This is the intersection with the current tram network.





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Old July 23rd, 2010, 11:07 PM   #94
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Pictures from the construction at the Escher-Wyss-Square for the new tram Zürich West.
This is the intersection with the current tram network.
This new tram line will be built under the Hardbrücke?
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Yes from the Escher-Wyss square to the Hardbrücke S-Bahn Station from there it will continue the Pfingstweidstrasse and Aargauerstrasse to the Train Station Altstetten.
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Yes from the Escher-Wyss square to the Hardbrücke S-Bahn Station from there it will continue the Pfingstweidstrasse and Aargauerstrasse to the Train Station Altstetten.
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Old December 11th, 2010, 08:32 PM   #98
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Today the Glattalbahn opened it 3rd and final branch. Tomorrow the regular service will start. The Glattalbahn are new tram lines. The new line 12 will be the first line that doesn't enter city proper.







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Old December 12th, 2010, 04:48 AM   #99
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Sexy! I think lightrail (Stadtbahn in German) would be a better description for Glattalbahn!
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There is already a S-Bahn in Zürich. This lines have the same rolling stock as the city trams (Cobra) but the have their separated tracks once they leave city proper.
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