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Old August 12th, 2017, 12:29 PM   #201
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The other one is the excess of photos and videos.
Good reason: when it is about countries with actual news then it is mostly news, things you want to see or hear, and images show something new actually. To show the opposite: Some railway topics are mostly a clickbait as I barely find anything really new on it, despite the fact that a lot happens, though sadly without notice on SSC. All these electrifications, double-tracking, change of timetables, but mostly there is some picture or video about things that exist for years. I can find that anywhere on the world wide web.

What is the thing in the Indonesian thread which I follow actively is that many new things happen and they are very well-documented which is in contrast to other threads and very good. But sometimes I really can't see the forest anymore because of the trees, especially on the Jakarta airport thread: I cannot find anything new about a planned runway.

At the other side, every picture of construction of the trans-Java toll road network is amazingly interesting, keeping a transportation freak like me on the edge of the seat discovering more things that lead to a new step towards completion. But eh, when was the opening date of the Solo-Sragen toll road?
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Old August 13th, 2017, 02:42 AM   #202
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Unfortunately there are cheap flights from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro, people like planes instead trains
For 440 km? Even a moderately fast train service can do that in 3 hours. People within 4-5 km around the terminal stations will have no reason to use the hassle of plane travel.
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Old August 13th, 2017, 03:20 AM   #203
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For 440 km? Even a moderately fast train service can do that in 3 hours. People within 4-5 km around the terminal stations will have no reason to use the hassle of plane travel.
São Paulo is almost 800m above sea level. Rio de Janeiro is by the ocean. Brazilian landscape is not very easy. If I'm not mistaken, São Paulo-Rio de Janeiro, counting all the airports, it's the busiest air route in the world.

There is an official project for a high speed train between Campinas-São Paulo-Rio de Janeiro, but it's on hold due the current crisis.
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Old August 16th, 2017, 06:00 PM   #204
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But going up 800m over the course of ~400km should be doable, even if it would mean a persistent, relatively steep grade.

The busiest air route in the world is a variable thing, depending on what's measured (aircraft mvmnts, domestic vs. international boardings, etc.), but usually the Seoul-Jeju route is cited as the busiest; SP-RJ wins by aircraft mvmnts.

There is ongoing discussion of an undersea tunnel to connect Jeju to the mainland, and allow Seoul-Jeju HSR. If Korea (or Japan, or France/UK) can build an undersea tunnel many km's long, I'm sure Brazil could (with some help) manage that change in altitude. We'll just have to see what happens after things have settled down, but a SP-RJ HSR does make sense.
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Old August 21st, 2017, 04:31 AM   #205
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São Paulo is almost 800m above sea level. Rio de Janeiro is by the ocean. Brazilian landscape is not very easy. If I'm not mistaken, São Paulo-Rio de Janeiro, counting all the airports, it's the busiest air route in the world.

There is an official project for a high speed train between Campinas-São Paulo-Rio de Janeiro, but it's on hold due the current crisis.
I have travelled on the Chinese Lanzhou-Xinjiang High Speed railway which is able to climb from Lanzhou to over 1,500m and then descends down again to Zhangye in around 500km. This is through major mountain ranges and geological faultlines. So there is no excuse for Brazil, except the typical political will and funding.
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Old August 21st, 2017, 07:34 PM   #206
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Hi Friends

I am railroad fan and retired sailor from Poland. I enjoyed some short rail trips in Ecuador, Brazil and Chile before, when sailed on board various merchant ships. Now I have enough time (and saved some money for it) to look closer at the railways on your continent. Nowadays the railway network in South America is like a patchwork and to set up a clever plan of my trip I need a truthful info about the railroads which are still in operation. May you advise me active passenger and cargo railroads and it’s operators in Brazil? I will be very grateful for your help.

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Maybe you will appreciate ARgentina. The trains are old though. In my opinion the best countries to travel by rail are Bolivia and Peru (Cuzco-Macchu Pichu line). In Argentina there are trains from Buenos Aires to Bariloche and Mar del Plata. As far as I know in Brazil you only have Carajas (I bit dirty), Vitoria-BH (Very cool. I travelled before) and some short trips, like Curitiba-Morretes, Tiradentes-Mariana and Bento Gonçalves.
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Old August 21st, 2017, 07:48 PM   #207
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But going up 800m over the course of ~400km should be doable, even if it would mean a persistent, relatively steep grade.

The busiest air route in the world is a variable thing, depending on what's measured (aircraft mvmnts, domestic vs. international boardings, etc.), but usually the Seoul-Jeju route is cited as the busiest; SP-RJ wins by aircraft mvmnts.

There is ongoing discussion of an undersea tunnel to connect Jeju to the mainland, and allow Seoul-Jeju HSR. If Korea (or Japan, or France/UK) can build an undersea tunnel many km's long, I'm sure Brazil could (with some help) manage that change in altitude. We'll just have to see what happens after things have settled down, but a SP-RJ HSR does make sense.
I think he cited it because of the cost of scrapping tunnels and to build bridges, and not to be "impossible". Brazil´s budget is a mess right now and no wonder when we´ll back on track again. But according to predicted number of pax, it´s viable.
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SP-RJ wins by aircraft mvmnts.
Sao Paulo and Rio´s central airports have restriction to operating aircraft. In Sao Paulo´s CGH the maximum operating aircrafts are A320 and B737-800. Rio´s SDU the maximum is the B737-8 with winglets (A320 are not allowed by now).
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Old August 29th, 2017, 07:53 PM   #208
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My aunties traveled by train from Curitiba to Paranaguá

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Maybe you will appreciate ARgentina. The trains are old though. In my opinion the best countries to travel by rail are Bolivia and Peru (Cuzco-Macchu Pichu line). In Argentina there are trains from Buenos Aires to Bariloche and Mar del Plata. As far as I know in Brazil you only have Carajas (I bit dirty), Vitoria-BH (Very cool. I travelled before) and some short trips, like Curitiba-Morretes, Tiradentes-Mariana and Bento Gonçalves.
Wasn't the Curitiba-Morretes route exactly the Curitiba-Paranaguá route?
My aunties Clara (a.k.a. Nêga) and Nilda traveled by train in the Curitiba-Paranaguá route.
The rail diesel cars (RDC, assembled by Budd) also are used on this route.
This route is operated by ALL (América Latina Logística).

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Old September 1st, 2017, 08:18 PM   #209
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The the trip to Paranagua was resumed. Curitiba-Morretes route is still running everyday. Anyway, the jewel of the crown is crossing the mountains of "Serra do Mar".

https://serraverdeexpress.com.br/trem-regular/
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