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Old December 28th, 2010, 04:01 AM   #21
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No Irish gauge, No German team

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They didn't. And there is no reasonf for that. Brazil has only one very isolated mining railway which runs on standard gauge and it is located more than 400km, one island and two major river estuaries from any other rail. Other than that, you have closed subway lines operating on 1453mm.

Indeed, Brazil is constructing almost 3.000km of new freight railway tracks on 1600mm. The more pressing issue would be enlarging the 1000mm tracks. However, clearances and trackbeds would not be enough for any enlargement without major invesment, so reducing 1600mm tracks to 1453 wouldn't help to integrate the network regardless.
In Brazil, all 1600mm gauge lines should be converted to 1435mm.

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I believe they pushed back the deadline until April 2010. Both the Japanese and French teams backed out, citing unfavorable contract terms. I believe the Korean team was the only one that still had an intention of submitting a bid by the deadline.

I think the Brazilian government has explained that the deadline is to give bidders "more time," but they have so far avoided mentioning any specific changes to the terms as part of the extended deadline. Seems like they will have to, or they will end up back in the same place... This project seems like a huge risk, but the government was trying to shift all of it onto the winning team.
German team including Siemens also backed out from Brazil.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 01:36 PM   #22
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adjacent countries

Railway links Brazil with adjacent countries:

Uruguay: break-of-gauge 1600mm (Brazil)/1435mm (Uruguay) with meter gauge intervening
Peru: break-of-gauge 1600mm (Brazil)/1435mm (Peru) no railway links
Venezuela: same gauge 1435mm, no railway links

Currently, Brazilian internal networks are 1600mm in the south and 1435mm in the north.

In Brazil, all 1600mm gauge lines got proposed converted to 1435mm.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 04:12 PM   #23
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Currently, Brazilian internal networks are 1600mm in the south and 1435mm in the north.
Doubly wrong. There is just a small mining railway built with 1435mm gauge. Most commons gauges in Brazil are 1000mm and 1600mm, and they are not geographically segregated, but intermingled, according to the historical crappy rail companies that built them.

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In Brazil, all 1600mm gauge lines got proposed converted to 1435mm.
There is no serious proposition to do that and roughly 4.000 of new rail tracks are being built in 1600mm gauge.
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Old December 30th, 2010, 09:27 AM   #24
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Doubly wrong. There is just a small mining railway built with 1435mm gauge. Most commons gauges in Brazil are 1000mm and 1600mm, and they are not geographically segregated, but intermingled, according to the historical crappy rail companies that built them.



There is no serious proposition to do that and roughly 4.000 of new rail tracks are being built in 1600mm gauge.
Railways in the Amazon area is 1435mm.
Railways in the central area is 1600mm.
In Brazil, all 1600mm gauge lines got proposed to convert to 1435mm.

Brazilian high-speed rail will be 1435mm.
German team including Siemens backed out from Brazil.
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Old December 30th, 2010, 09:39 AM   #25
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more news about Brazil HSR

Information about the private sector partnership involved in the proposed project:

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SAO PAULO -(Dow Jones)- Brazilian billionaire Eike Batista is in talks with South Korean companies to form a partnership to build a high-speed train between the cities of Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, Valor Economico newspaper reported Tuesday.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2...-train-report/
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Doubly wrong. There is just a small mining railway built with 1435mm gauge. Most commons gauges in Brazil are 1000mm and 1600mm, and they are not geographically segregated, but intermingled, according to the historical crappy rail companies that built them.



There is no serious proposition to do that and roughly 4.000 of new rail tracks are being built in 1600mm gauge.
In Brazil, all 1600mm gauge lines got proposed to convert to 1435mm.
German team including Siemens backed out from Brazil.
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Wrong again. Please, cite a reliable source where a feasible proposal to convert lines were unveiled by the interest parts.
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Old February 19th, 2011, 03:42 PM   #28
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Vitória Minas Railway. Brazil dont invest that much on railways, as well as most Latin American countries.



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Construction of the North-South Railway



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Freight railway, works almost complete on what was marked as "under construction". Curve radii (up to 343m), alignments built avoiding urban areas, long distance between sidings and other parameters make it unlikely to see passenger service.
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Freight railway, works almost complete on what was marked as "under construction". Curve radii (up to 343m), alignments built avoiding urban areas, long distance between sidings and other parameters make it unlikely to see passenger service.
What's the track gauge on that one?

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What's the track gauge on that one?

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What's the track gauge on that one?

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1600mm. Much of it (don't know exact distances) will be also fit with 1000mm tracks. Track holders for 1000mm gauge already installed as seen here:

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Old February 20th, 2011, 07:59 PM   #33
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That is the North - South Railway. Thanks for your informations
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Brazil dont invest that much on railways, as well as most Latin American countries.

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Break of gauge 1600mm/1435mm will be created in Belem. (the north end of the North-South Railway)
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Break of gauge 1600mm/1435mm will be created in Belem. (the north end of the North-South Railway)
I'm kind of wondering why this isn't being built to 1435 mm.

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Because, save for a small mining railroad and a handful of urban subways, there is no other 1453mm railways in Brazil.
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Old March 16th, 2011, 09:51 PM   #37
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I noticed earlier today - and see it hasn't been posted here - that developments have moved beyond just a Rio-SP HS line to the establishment of some kind of HS network (or beginnings of ones). There is a HS branch (TAV Brasil) of the transport ministry showing the government's plans (which I wasn't aware of).





What do Brazilians think? Realistic or over ambitious?

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Old March 16th, 2011, 10:09 PM   #38
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but.... uberlandia and goiana shoud be joined, to join brasilia with rio and sao paulo, do you agree??

and porto alegre could be included in the future??
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Pipe dream. There is no serious plans do build any high-speed links other than the original TAV Brasil plan (CAmpinas-São Paulo-Rio de JAneiro) any time on the next 20 or 30 years.

A link to Belo Horizonte would just be the most expensive and mountainous terrain ever to get a HSR built. It is worse than a high mountain ridge (that you can tunnel through) with plains on either side: it is mountains all the way, although altitudes don't get over 1200m.

There is another, separate plan for a GOiania-Brasília train, but it will not be high-speed train at all, just a lame regional rail allowing speed up to 180km/h.
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A look at a topographic map of Brazil shows the problems of rail involving BH and Brasilia. I think Curitiba is a possibility, I don't remember the bus ride from Sao Paulo to there being particularly hilly (not that this a good method of judgement).

A North East network from Fortaleza to Salvador makes sense on paper, not sure about economically.

Anyway, the best thing to assist inter-city travel in the short-term would be to deregulate the bus network in some form. Some of the trips are quite expensive and with awkward leaving times I think.
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