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Old November 21st, 2005, 07:22 PM   #81
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Doesn't Cleveland have a small Subway?
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Old November 21st, 2005, 07:49 PM   #82
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Cleveland does indeed have a metro system: the Greater Cleveland Rapid Transit Authority, (RTA) or "the Rapid." When I was growing up I remember them promoting this as "Ride the Rapid." Here are some stats:

Red Line Rapid Transit
60 heavy-rail cars
18 stations
19 miles of one-way track

Blue - Green Line Rapid Transit (Includes Waterfront Line)
48 light-rail cars
34 stations
15 miles of one-way track
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Old November 21st, 2005, 11:28 PM   #83
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Philadelphia has the SEPTA, Boston has the oldest in the T, Miami has the Metrorail as well, amongst other cities (St. Louis' Metroline, Dallas' DART, Atlanta's MARTA, Baltimore). Many cities have light rail also, including San Jose, Sacramento, Portland, Salt Lake City, Denver, Houston, Minneapolis, Buffalo, Syracuse, Tampa).

Fom my experience, I find Chicago has a really good system with lots of service, and good frequencies. Boston has a great system, as does Washington.
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Old November 23rd, 2005, 07:41 AM   #84
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The service in LA does not go to ALL the places people would like it to but it does go a lot of places. The bus system is really extensive, but the fact that LA is so spread out and the ride takes too long makes it unappealing. They have recently started RAPID service (faster buses w/ their own lane and traffic light priority) on major thouroughfares though, with much success. Heres a map of our subway/light rail system.... http://metro.net/images/rail_map.pdf Hopefully they will also build a subway to the westside which is in the study process.
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Old November 23rd, 2005, 11:16 PM   #85
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I really like the Metro's Red line in LA. Very new, clean, and on the honor system!
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Old November 24th, 2005, 01:51 AM   #86
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I'm not sure I comprehend the intention of this thread. As far as I grasped it, kajolishot wants people from US cities that have subways to tell what they think of other US subways...
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Old December 18th, 2005, 09:00 PM   #87
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My big question with the US metro systems is why don't they run later, especially on Friday and Saturday nights when people are going to be out drinking and not wanting to pay $20 for taxis. Bay Area BART, Boston metro, Philly SEPTA, Atlanta MARTA, all stop around midnight i believe. I think 2 lines in Chicago CTA run around the clock? I know not every city has enough ridership to be in operation all the time like NYC, but I think DC Metro's system has the correct solution, as I think all lines run until 3 am on Friday and Saturday nights. Other Metro systems should follow suit.
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Old December 18th, 2005, 09:56 PM   #88
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Does Rochester in NY have a subway? I know there are some abandoned parts but I dont know if it still has a working one or not.
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Old December 18th, 2005, 10:06 PM   #89
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My big question with the US metro systems is why don't they run later, especially on Friday and Saturday nights when people are going to be out drinking and not wanting to pay $20 for taxis. Bay Area BART, Boston metro, Philly SEPTA, Atlanta MARTA, all stop around midnight i believe. I think 2 lines in Chicago CTA run around the clock? I know not every city has enough ridership to be in operation all the time like NYC, but I think DC Metro's system has the correct solution, as I think all lines run until 3 am on Friday and Saturday nights. Other Metro systems should follow suit.
The problem is, like a lot of systems (such as london) track work has to be done at some time, so the system is close at night to allow for such work. BART now operates a bus that goes to the same stations late at night as a replacement

And Bart is pretty good if you want to go where it goes . Overall Bay Area rail transit is pretty good as far as the us goes. Bart has good frequency in the SF-OAK submerged sections, but on the outer lines its 15 minutes, which isnt as nice.
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Old December 19th, 2005, 01:49 AM   #90
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For further information on world transit systems, see the following websites:

The NYCSubway website offers a good overview of United States and Canadian heavy rail and light rail transit systems complete with narrative descriptions and photos. Major systems in Europe and Latin America are also covered:

http://world.nycsubway.org/

The LightRail-dot-com website provides descriptions of most light rail systems in the United States and Canada:

http://www.lightrail.com/photos.htm

Prof. John Bell's website provides good narrative information and photos of United States transit systems:

http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/transit/

The UrbanRail website provides fairly comprehensive coverage of heavy rail transit systems throughout the world:

http://www.urbanrail.net/

The Kavenaugh Transit website features a lot of information on transit systems around the world but is especially good for information about Japanese transit systems:

http://ktransit.com/

There is also the Subways-dot-net website:

http://www.subways.net/

The Light Rail Transit Association website specializes in European light rail systems but also has some information on light rail systems in North American:

http://lrta.info/photos/photogallindex.html

There is also the Light Rail Atlas website:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rajvdb/lra/index.html

One of the most interesting is the Metro Bits website, which is focused on the architecture and user experience of world metro systems:

http://mic-ro.com/metro/index.html

Mr. Simon Smiler, who is a frequent contributor to this forum, has an interesting website that addresses many different issues in transit system design:

http://www.garden.force9.co.uk/Frame.htm

Railfan Europe is a great website for photos of European railways, metros, and light rail:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix_frameset.html

The Monorail Society's website provides a fairly comprehensive overview of world monorail systems:

http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Where.html

The Light Rail Now! website provides much information on North American light rail systems though it tends to go overboard with vituperative directed against bus rapid transit, personal rapid transit, monorail, and any other transit mode that could be a competitor of light rail:

http://www.lightrailnow.org/

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Old December 19th, 2005, 02:19 AM   #91
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For further information on world transit systems, see the following websites:

The NYCSubway website offers a good overview of United States and Canadian heavy rail and light rail transit systems complete with narrative descriptions and photos. Major systems in Europe and Latin America are also covered:

<snip>

Mr. Simon Smiler, who is a frequent contributor to this forum, has an interesting website that addresses many different issues in transit system design:

http://www.garden.force9.co.uk/Frame.htm

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thanks!


btw, I've only been to a few US cities, so cant say much. But what I do recall most vividly is that in Dallas its illegal to cross a road served by the DART except at official crossing points. That riled me, because I have plenty of experience crossing roads which are used by steel wheel transports, and totally fail to understand why they have this law. After all, crossing *any* road when traffic is approaching is asking for trouble - and indeed, the steel wheeled transports usually have magnetic brakes and other safety systems which mean they can stop very quickly.

One other observation - generally newer systems do not allow eating and drinking, whilst when I was in Boston they were selling light refreshments in some of the stations! Just a contrast between new and established, I suppose.

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Old December 19th, 2005, 02:31 AM   #92
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How much time do they actually need for trackwork? I think running 2 or 3 hours later on Fridays and Saturdays won't kill them. Yeah Mr Storms I'm actually from San Jose and I go to school in San Diego now and I agree that San Francisco's system is pretty good, could and should be more comprehensive though in the Fillmore and Richmond areas. Also I think a metro line should be made to access Chinatown up to North Beach and Fisherman's wharf from the Market, I know there's a cable car running through there but I think a subway line would be more practical. San Jose's public transportation on the other hand...
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Old December 19th, 2005, 04:29 PM   #93
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My big question with the US metro systems is why don't they run later, especially on Friday and Saturday nights when people are going to be out drinking and not wanting to pay $20 for taxis. Bay Area BART, Boston metro, Philly SEPTA, Atlanta MARTA, all stop around midnight i believe. I think 2 lines in Chicago CTA run around the clock? I know not every city has enough ridership to be in operation all the time like NYC, but I think DC Metro's system has the correct solution, as I think all lines run until 3 am on Friday and Saturday nights. Other Metro systems should follow suit.
Boston last trains all leave their orginial start point at 12:45am, so they get to their destinations finishing anywhere from 115-130.

Only 2 American systems keep running 24 hours, NYC and Chicago.
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Old December 19th, 2005, 06:38 PM   #94
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How much time do they actually need for trackwork? I think running 2 or 3 hours later on Fridays and Saturdays won't kill them. Yeah Mr Storms I'm actually from San Jose and I go to school in San Diego now and I agree that San Francisco's system is pretty good, could and should be more comprehensive though in the Fillmore and Richmond areas. Also I think a metro line should be made to access Chinatown up to North Beach and Fisherman's wharf from the Market, I know there's a cable car running through there but I think a subway line would be more practical. San Jose's public transportation on the other hand...
San Joses is actually decent as far as the US goes. Pathetic in europe, but pretty decent in the us. The new winchester extension gets really good ridership and its actually convenient (omg), so I use it a lot.
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Old December 20th, 2005, 03:56 PM   #95
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I believe it's the Blue and Red lines in Chicago that run 24/7. Rochester used to have a subway, but they killed it
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Old December 20th, 2005, 04:37 PM   #96
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Post pics!And maps!
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Old December 20th, 2005, 04:42 PM   #97
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Does Rochester in NY have a subway? I know there are some abandoned parts but I dont know if it still has a working one or not.
The Rochester system was abandoned in 1956.

Buffalo has an operating subway that seems to get very little respect on message boards and transit fan sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Metro_Rail
http://www.nfta.com/metro/index.asp
http://subway.buffalonet.org
http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/transit/Buffalo/
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Old December 21st, 2005, 02:54 AM   #98
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BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit), San Francisco
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Trains pics: (omg theyre not steel boxes)





SF area also has 3 commuter rail lines and 7 light rail lines, but im too lazy to post those too
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Old December 21st, 2005, 09:53 AM   #99
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man, thats a damn ugly train.
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Old December 21st, 2005, 10:16 AM   #100
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BART reminds me of the Washington Metro.
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