BUDO 武道

[חבר1.0]

Originally Posted by castermaild55

Hi castermalid! How are you? What do they say in your video about Sumo and Israel?

[castermaild55]

Originally Posted by Yellow Fever

thats ok! I practice many martial arts including korean taekwondo and chinese kungfu, so natually I'd feel offenced by any negative comments about them.

Korean teakwundo is popular today
however, Confucism in Korea, that is, korean culture might tell what korean martial arts was

[castermaild55]

Originally Posted by חבר1.0

Hi castermalid! How are you? What do they say in your video about Sumo and Israel?

Japanese Sumo ceremony originates in the battle of Jacob (Issac's son)against a Spirit,of the BIBLE story

SheMo= Jacob became Israel>>sumo in Japanese

check out Genesis section32

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=873806&page=8

http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/modul...ticle&sid=2710

[Yellow Fever]

Originally Posted by חבר1.0

I like pretty much all the Eastern martial arts. Each one has its own beauty.

I like you now!

krav maga is growing fast and getting very popular. Chinese personels stationed in middle east also learn this efficient killing technique.

[חבר1.0]

Originally Posted by Yellow Fever

I like you now!

krav maga is growing fast and getting very popular. Chinese personels stationed in middle east also learn this efficient killing technique.

That's what I like about it- it's very efficient and practical.

But I love the tradition and the skill of the various Eastern martial arts.

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[perdurabo]

18.20.2010 In Falenica, Warsaw, Poland we had first world sport sumo championship.
250participants from 25 countries. Poland won only 1 gold medal by Edyta Witkowska-Popecka in open category. We also won 6 bronze medals.
here is link to article in Polish, but below there is gallery.
http://www.mmwarszawa.pl/10105/2010/...category=sport
i cant copy images here so you would have to go directly there.

Tough it isn't Japanese martial arts, but it is about swordfights so you mnight be intrested...
25-26.09.2010 also in Warsaw we had W3 tournament in medieval martial arts few movies:


I hope you like it. There is more.

[Yellow Fever]

Interesting stuffs, thanks for sharing!




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[Yellow Fever]

Karate History

Most Western students of Asian martial arts, if they have done any research on the subject at all, will surely have come across references to Bodhidharma. He is known as "Daruma" in Japan and as often as not, this Indian Buddhist monk is cited as the prime source for all martial arts styles or at the vary least, for any style which traces its roots back to the fabled Shaolin Temple. However, the question of his contributions to the martial arts and to Zen Buddhism and even of his very existence has been a matter of controversy among historians and martial arts scholars for many years (Spiessbach,1992).

As legend has it, the evolution of karate began over a thousand years ago, possibly as early as the fifth century BC when Bodhidharma arrived in Shaolin-si (small forest temple), China from India and taught Zen Buddhism. He also introduced a systematized set of exercises designed to strengthen the mind and body, exercises which allegedly marked the beginning of the Shaolin style of temple boxing. Bodhidharma's teachings later became the basis for the majority of Chinese martial arts. In truth, the origins of karate appear to be somewhat obscure and little is known about the early development of karate until it appeared in Okinawa.



Okinawa is a small island of the group that comprises modern day Japan. It is the main island in the chain of Ryuku Islands which spans from Japan to Taiwan. Surrounded by coral, Okinawa is approximately 10 km (6 mi) wide and only about 110 km (less than 70 mi) long. It is situated 740 km (400 nautical mi) east of mainland China, 550 km (300 nautical miles) south of mainland Japan and an equal distance north of Taiwan. Being at the crossroads of major trading routes, its significance as a "resting spot" was first discovered by the Japanese. It later developed as a trade centre for southeastern Asia, trading with Japan, China, Indo China, Thailand, Malaysia, Borneo and the Philippines.
In its earliest stages, the martial art known as "karate" was an indigenous form of closed fist fighting which was developed in Okinawa and called Te, or 'hand'. Weapons bans, imposed on the Okinawans at various points in their history, encouraged the refinement of empty-hand techniques and, for this reason, was trained in secret until modern times. Further refinement came with the influence of other martial arts brought by nobles and trade merchants to the island.

Te continued to develop over the years, primarily in three Okinawan cities: Shuri, Naha and Tomari. Each of these towns was a centre to a different sect of society: kings and nobles, merchants and business people, and farmers and fishermen, respectively. For this reason, different forms of self-defense developed within each city and subsequently became known as Shuri-te, Naha-te and Tomari-te. Collectively they were called Okinawa-Te or Tode, 'Chinese hand'. Gradually, karate was divided into two main groups: Shorin-ryu which developed around Shuri and Tomari and Shorei-ryu which came from the Naha area. "It is important to note, however, that the towns of Shuri, Tomari, Naha are only a few miles apart, and that the differences between their arts were essentially ones of emphasis, not of kind. Beneath these surface differences, both the methods and aims of all Okinawan karate are one in the same" (Howard, 1991). Gichin Funakoshi goes further to suggest that these two styles were developed based on different physical requirements Funakoshi, 1935). Shorin-ryu was quick and linear with natural breathing while Shorei-ryu emphasized steady, rooted movements with breathing in synchrony with each movement. Interestingly, this concept of two basic styles also exist in kung-fu with a similar division of characteristics (Wong, 1978).



(Nakaya,1986)
The Chinese character used to write Tode could also be pronounced 'kara' thus the name Te was replaced with kara te - jutsu or 'Chinese hand art' by the Okinawan Masters. This was later changed to karate-do by Gichin Funakoshi who adopted an alternate meaning for the Chinese character for kara, 'empty'. From this point on the term karate came to mean 'empty hand'. The Do in karate-do means 'way' or 'path', and is indicative of the discipline and philosophy of karate with moral and spiritual connotations.


The concept of Do has been prevalent since at least the days of the Okinawan Scholar Teijunsoku born in 1663, as this passage from a poem he wrote suggests:

No matter how you may excel in the art of te,
And in your scholastic endevours,
Nothing is more important than your behavior
And your humanity as observed in daily life.

(Nagamine,1976)

The first public demonstration of karate in Japan was in 1917 by Gichin Funakoshi, at the Butoku-den in Kyoto (Hassell 1984). This, and subsequent demonstrations, greatly impressed many Japanese, including the Crown-Prince Hirohito, who was very enthusiastic about the Okinawan art. In 1922, Dr. Jano Kano, founder of the Japanese art of Judo, invited Funakoshi to demonstrate at the famous Kodokan Dojo and to remain in Japan to teach karate. This sponsorship was instrumental in establishing a base for karate in Japan. As an Okinawan "peasant art," karate would have been scorned by the Japanese without the backing of so formidable a martial arts master (Maliszewski, 1992).

Today there are four main styles of karate-do in Japan: Goju-ryu, Shito-ryu, Shotokan, and Wado-ryu:

Goju-ryu developed out of Naha-te, its popularity primarily due to the success of Kanryo Higaonna (1853-1915). Higaonna opened a dojo in Naha using eight forms brought from China. His best student, Chojun Miyagi (1888-1953) later founded Goju-ryu, 'hard soft way' in 1930. In Goju-ryu much emphasis is placed on combining soft circular blocking techniques with quick strong counter attacks delivered in rapid succession.

Shito-ryu was founded by Kenwa Mabuni (1889-1952) in 1928 and was influenced directly by both Naha-te and Shuri-te. The name Shito is constructively derived from the combination of the Japanese characters of Mabuni's teachers' names - Ankoh Itosu and Kanryo Higaonna. Shito-ryu schools use a large number of kata, about fifty, and is characterized by an emphasis on power in the execution of techniques.

Shotokan was founded by Gichin Funakoshi (1868-1957) in Tokyo in 1938. Funakoshi is considered to be the founder of modern karate. Born in Okinawa, he began to study karate with Yasutsune Azato, one of Okinawa's greatest experts in the art. In 1921 Funakoshi first introduced Karate to Tokyo. In 1936, at nearly 70 years of age, he opened his own training hall. The dojo was called Shotokan after the pen name used by Funakoshi to sign poems written in his youth. Shotokan Karate is characterized by powerful linear techniques and deep strong stances.

Wado-ryu, 'way of harmony', founded in 1939 is a system of karate developed from jujitsu and karate by Hienori Otsuka as taught by one of his instructors, Gichin Funakoshi. This style of karate combines basic movements of jujitsu with techniques of evasion, putting a strong emphasis on softness and the way of harmony or spiritual discipline.

http://www.karatebc.org/history/

[Yellow Fever]

don't mess with her!

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Originally Posted by Yellow Fever

As legend has it, the evolution of karate began over a thousand years ago, possibly as early as the fifth century BC when Bodhidharma arrived in Shaolin-si (small forest temple), China from India and taught Zen Buddhism. He also introduced a systematized set of exercises designed to strengthen the mind and body, exercises which allegedly marked the beginning of the Shaolin style of temple boxing. Bodhidharma's teachings later became the basis for the majority of Chinese martial arts. In truth, the origins of karate appear to be somewhat obscure and little is known about the early development of karate until it appeared in Okinawa.

I'm not sure if it is accurate to state that Karate began that far back, at a certain point, it is no longer Karate but another martial art, as they are all evolutions of something else.

Its pretty clear that Okinawan Karate is derived from Fujian Kempo. During the period of the Ryukyu Kingdom (when Okinawa was independent), the Chinese Ming Dynasty only allowed the Ryukyus to enter via Fujian for trade (although earlier it was Guangzhou. Most countries could only enter through one city).

As a result, much of the Chinese influences Okinawa received, are primarily from Fujian, including some of the food they grew there, architecture, and of course, the martial arts. However Fujian kenpo was modified into the context of Okinawa's needs, especially due to the ban on weapons.

[Yellow Fever]

[perdurabo]

I just got back from two day training camp in Rzeszow, when organisers will send me vids and pics I'll share it with you. I've learned a lot, before i thought that i'm ready to take part in tournaments but after this im not so sure, i still have lot to learn and improve.

Originally Posted by Yellow Fever

Interesting stuffs, thanks for sharing!

thank you!
Can i continue posting this Offtopic about eurpean martial arts? i don't want to make any mess so if you guys don't want it here i 'll stop ok?

At end of november there was big tournament near Gdańsk SMDF (or in english GOES) Jan Chodkiewicz was winner again, this guy is just amazing.
finalle:

and two fights in eliminations:


I'm so sad that i couldn't be there
My friends from kenjutsu group started recently heavy training to participate in our tournaments, and i wonder is there anything like this in Japan? I've seen lots of kendo tournaments with lots of participators but they use shinais and their rules are too strict to simulate real combat... and if they use steel they only do slow motion demonstrations and cut tests on tatami...

[Yellow Fever]

Originally Posted by perdurabo

Can i continue posting this Offtopic about eurpean martial arts? i don't want to make any mess so if you guys don't want it here i 'll stop ok?

this thread is supposed to be for japanese martial arts only, but since you are a nice guy and you've never posted any martial arts vs martial arts thing, we will make an exception for you.

My friends from kenjutsu group started recently heavy training to participate in our tournaments...

I'm wondering how this would work out because they are two totally different arts and independent associations. How will they sanction the tournament when the two have their own rules and regulations and they also use different swords?

[perdurabo]

Originally Posted by Yellow Fever

this thread is supposed to be for japanese martial arts only, but since you are a nice guy and you've never posted any martial arts vs martial arts thing, we will make an exception for you.

Thank you, i realy dislike this stupid thing east vs west, my kung-fu is better than yours. What i've seen kendo is diffrent from what we do, but sport fencing is prabably even further than kendo, but kenjutsu is quite close, enough to meet and learn from eatchother.

I'm wondering how this would work out because they are two totally different arts and independent associations. How will they sanction the tournament when the two have their own rules and regulations and they also use different swords?

We are wondering too
For sure it will be on our rules, as they arent strict about techniques (almoust anything that isn't lifethreating is possible, so style in witch he fights isn't big deal for judges and rules ) as for weapons they are preparing feders that will be close to katana (shorter, with tsuba and tsuka, curved a bit and without pomel), protection will be in our style as typical kendo bogu would be dangerous.

[castermaild55]

Originally Posted by perdurabo

I just got back from two day training camp in Rzeszow, when organisers will send me vids and pics I'll share it with you. I've learned a lot, before i thought that i'm ready to take part in tournaments but after this im not so sure, i still have lot to learn and improve.


thank you!
Can i continue posting this Offtopic about eurpean martial arts? i don't want to make any mess so if you guys don't want it here i 'll stop ok?

At end of november there was big tournament near Gdańsk SMDF (or in english GOES) Jan Chodkiewicz was winner again, this guy is just amazing.
finalle:
My friends from kenjutsu group started recently heavy training to participate in our tournaments, and i wonder is there anything like this in Japan? I've seen lots of kendo tournaments with lots of participators but they use shinais and their rules are too strict to simulate real combat... and if they use steel they only do slow motion demonstrations and cut tests on tatami...

I think real combat is like this



I love this scene

[perdurabo]

Originally Posted by castermaild55

I think real combat is like this

it all depends on distance, if you are below 3meters to opponent, and don't know mutch, or your opponent is way faster than you (fastest kendoka strikes in 0,10 sec. books say that human reaction time is around 0,20sec. our guys tested it and they got below 0,17s, but professional wrestlers have reaction time around 0,07sec.!) then it may look like what you posted.


look here about ranges of fight, if you get below those 3-4meters without preparation to fight you are in serious sh*** but if you have already drawn sword, and entering combat with intent to win then simple attack like this won't work.
Actually from my expirience it would end badly for attacker, look how it was done, both where in low positions(i don't know their japanese name but they are similiar to european pflug or plow position) first he had to take back his sword and then strike with upper cut(lihtenauers oberhau or zornhau), defender in this situation would only have to do simple thrust with stepping aside(or other move see below). This is what we call signalised strike, they are easy to defend and counterstrike.
look here:

Guys from slovakia are training exactly same thing but they are starting from upper position (vom tag = from the roof) witch allows you to do unsignalised strike (you don't have to take back your sword to make cut).

Other movie was, great i love Toshiro Mifune!
tough from my point of view there was no space to use sword, i would use dagger in this range, but this is east vs west diffrence, Japanese have this whole iaido, draw and strike in one move. We also have responses for unexpected strike from short range but they are diffrent (like hit in the face opponent with pommel of your sword while drawing, throw something at him, grab his hand while he tries to draw and strike with your other hand...). It dosent look as good as iaido, its brutal response, but its good way to survive

EDIT:
East meets west, i found gallery of my friend that trains kenjutsu and also reenacts japanese samurai, they take part in our knight festivals that are open(there are also closed ones, that require equipment from certain period and place...):


Battles in festivals like this are quite brutal, you have to be in full armour and there is no thrusts, weapons are blunt but they are real steel ones, as you can see Japanese armour can survive in it too


kyudo from horseback:

Samurais captured christian monk

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