Who should host the 2023 Rugby World Cup?

[Konig]

Guys what you say about Russia?
We are a big country, a new rugby market. I get the feeling that in the last month of interest to rugby in Russia increased by several times. Earlier in the sports media rarely mention rugby, and now probably in 3rd place after the football and hockey.
I think we can use some of the stadiums after FIFA WC 2018 + to build a few new ones. But at least after 2018 in the European part of Russia will be 19 new stadiums with a capacity of 30,000 to 90,000.
By the way, what are the requirements for the IRB to the cities and stadiums? How many cities (minimum-maximum), what is the minimum capacity of arenas?

[lwa]

Originally Posted by Konig

Guys what you say about Russia?
We are a big country, a new rugby market. I get the feeling that in the last month of interest to rugby in Russia increased by several times. Earlier in the sports media rarely mention rugby, and now probably in 3rd place after the football and hockey.
I think we can use some of the stadiums after FIFA WC 2018 + to build a few new ones. But at least after 2018 in the European part of Russia will be 19 new stadiums with a capacity of 30,000 to 90,000.
By the way, what are the requirements for the IRB to the cities and stadiums? How many cities (minimum-maximum), what is the minimum capacity of arenas?

Don't think the IRB have stringent requirements - Japan haven't even said how many countries they are using yet!

Russia (provided the FIFA WC stadiums can accomodate rugby pitches, which I would guess they probably can) could easilly host it. Only minus is it would be seen as another big risk after Japan. Would expect 2027 at the earliest for another Tier 2/3 host. Could be Russia, provided 2023 isn't in Europe though.



As for SANZAR having a bigger support base than Europe - obviously never been to southern France...

[Pepe potamo]

When will this decision be made? Of course I'm with Argentina.

[MS20]

Originally Posted by Konig

Guys what you say about Russia?
We are a big country, a new rugby market. I get the feeling that in the last month of interest to rugby in Russia increased by several times. Earlier in the sports media rarely mention rugby, and now probably in 3rd place after the football and hockey.
I think we can use some of the stadiums after FIFA WC 2018 + to build a few new ones. But at least after 2018 in the European part of Russia will be 19 new stadiums with a capacity of 30,000 to 90,000.
By the way, what are the requirements for the IRB to the cities and stadiums? How many cities (minimum-maximum), what is the minimum capacity of arenas?

For now, I can only assume that minimum capacity is low, because NZ has a couple that are just over 15,000 that were used. But in England there won't be any under 20,000.

Also, might want to give it a bit of time after a WC to judge the popularity of rugby in Russia. Pretty natural for there to be increased interest during the WC.

Russia is certainly a major candidate for being a future host of the RWC, but not anytime soon. Still has a lot to show before it can be a viable option.

[Andy-i]

Originally Posted by MS20

For now, I can only assume that minimum capacity is low, because NZ has a couple that are just over 15,000 that were used. But in England there won't be any under 20,000.

Also, might want to give it a bit of time after a WC to judge the popularity of rugby in Russia. Pretty natural for there to be increased interest during the WC.

Russia is certainly a major candidate for being a future host of the RWC, but not anytime soon. Still has a lot to show before it can be a viable option.

Kingsholm, home of Gloucester Rugby, is one of the RWC2015 stadiums. It has a capacity of 16500.

[MS20]

Originally Posted by Andy-i

Kingsholm, home of Gloucester Rugby, is one of the RWC2015 stadiums. It has a capacity of 16500.

Yes, but it's being expanded to 19,700. Which technically I suppose is under 20,000, but I wasn't far off.

[luciaparkison]

the bid must go to South Africa.because they show there potential to host the big sporting events like cricket,football world cups . so thats why my vote gone to south africa

[MS20]

Originally Posted by luciaparkison

the bid must go to South Africa.because they show there potential to host the big sporting events like cricket,football world cups . so thats why my vote gone to south africa

It will have been 6 World Cup's since South Africa last hosted. No one doubt's SA's potential, and after a Japan South Africa seems like the most logical established rugby nation for hosting, with pretty much every other big nation already having hosted in that time. Italy/Argentina may be expected to bid, who knows. They'll have competition that's for sure.

In fact their hosting of the 95' WC if anything showed that they could host a FIFA WC, not the other way round.

[JuanCA.-]

Argentina!

[corredor06]

Argentina

[Marsupalami]

South Africa - and as for the post earlier from some douche who said that the Football WC was poorly attended - blame Fifa ticketing, high prices and lack of international visitors due to Global financial Crisis. those that did experience one of the best tournaments and host atmosheres in the planet. We will rock the RWC, and we will have massive, massive local interest. Our local Currie Cup regularly exceeds 45ooo bums on seats, and had done for 50 years or more. With our killer new stadiums, we can reach new rugby markets withing our own country, such as the north, and nothwest. - Black South African love rugby too, and will be a big part of the atmosphere more than 95, and for that reason will almost be better than that one!

[crazydude]

Originally Posted by Marsupalami

South Africa - and as for the post earlier from some douche who said that the Football WC was poorly attended - blame Fifa ticketing, high prices and lack of international visitors due to Global financial Crisis. those that did experience one of the best tournaments and host atmosheres in the planet. We will rock the RWC, and we will have massive, massive local interest. Our local Currie Cup regularly exceeds 45ooo bums on seats, and had done for 50 years or more. With our killer new stadiums, we can reach new rugby markets withing our own country, such as the north, and nothwest. - Black South African love rugby too, and will be a big part of the atmosphere more than 95, and for that reason will almost be better than that one!

SA can host a great Rugby Wolrd Cup. I wouldn't be bragging about the Currie Cup attendance though, it's not getting 45 000 people very often, and the averages are not as good as they should be in a country which likes rugby this much.

In terms of stadiums, hospitality, and TIMEZONE, SA would be a great choice though.

[Andy-i]

Originally Posted by MS20

Yes, but it's being expanded to 19,700. Which technically I suppose is under 20,000, but I wasn't far off.

Some expansion plans have been mooted for quite a while but nothing concrete has happened so far.

I doubt that Gloucester will finance the expansion as their average crowd is around 80% of their current 16500 capacity and they only sell out 1 or 2 games a season.

Perhaps the IRB might offer to pay for the expansion but I wouldn't hold my breath!

[machii]

ARGENTINA

Monumental, Buenos Aires 65000


Ciudad De La Plata, La Plata 36000


Minella, Mar Del Plata 35000


Coloso Marcelo Bielsa, Rosario 38000


Gigante De Arroyito, Rosario 41000


Brigadier Lopez, Santa Fe 38000


Malvinas Argentinas, Mendoza 45000


Mario A Kempes, Cordoba 57000


Monumetal Jose Fierro, Tucuman 32000


Estadio Bicentenario, San Juan 25000


Estadio Centenario, Chaco 25000


Estadio Padre Ernesto Martearena, Salta 20000

[bdowhan]

It would be interesting to have Canada and the US cooperate on a joint bid. There is no difficulty with facilities, due to the gridiron football fields and the MLS soccer fields. Geography could be difficult with jet lag. Problem solved, have pool a and pool b play in the west (Vegas, LA, Colorado, Vancouver, Calgary, etc.) and have pool c and pool d play in the east (Toronto, Boston, New York, Montreal, etc.). The playoffs could be in central cities (Chicago, KC, Dallas, Detroit, etc.) It would invigorate the sport in these two countries. The large amount of immigrants from around the world would definitely support it.

[Andy-i]

Originally Posted by bdowhan

It would be interesting to have Canada and the US cooperate on a joint bid. There is no difficulty with facilities, due to the gridiron football fields and the MLS soccer fields. Geography could be difficult with jet lag. Problem solved, have pool a and pool b play in the west (Vegas, LA, Colorado, Vancouver, Calgary, etc.) and have pool c and pool d play in the east (Toronto, Boston, New York, Montreal, etc.). The playoffs could be in central cities (Chicago, KC, Dallas, Detroit, etc.) It would invigorate the sport in these two countries. The large amount of immigrants from around the world would definitely support it.

The Logistics might be difficult as the RWC normally takes place in Sep/Oct/Nov when the NFL and MLS seasons would be taking place.

This is a similar situation to the RWC 2015 and its use of Football grounds.
However RWC 2015 is also using 4 rugby grounds and Wembley and only 1 knock-out game in 2015 will be at a club ground (The 3rd place playoff at the Emirates) making it easier to fit games in around the footy fixtures.

[Pepe potamo]

Originally Posted by bdowhan

It would be interesting to have Canada and the US cooperate on a joint bid. There is no difficulty with facilities, due to the gridiron football fields and the MLS soccer fields. Geography could be difficult with jet lag. Problem solved, have pool a and pool b play in the west (Vegas, LA, Colorado, Vancouver, Calgary, etc.) and have pool c and pool d play in the east (Toronto, Boston, New York, Montreal, etc.). The playoffs could be in central cities (Chicago, KC, Dallas, Detroit, etc.) It would invigorate the sport in these two countries. The large amount of immigrants from around the world would definitely support it.

Yankees (no, I won't say "americans") don't even know what rugby is. They don't deserve to host. The first country in the Americas to host a RWC shoud be Argentina.

[Harry1990]

Hey my old post is actually getting some post now due to wc. I think maybe italy than argentina, hopefully both of them host a major football tournament before to get top of the range stadia. Maybe euro 2020? And a copa america

[Walbanger]

A 2023 RWC in Argentina would be the perfect presentation to FIFA what Argentina can provide for their 2030 bid.

[lwa]

Originally Posted by Pepe potamo

Yankees (no, I won't say "americans") don't even know what rugby is. They don't deserve to host. The first country in the Americas to host a RWC shoud be Argentina.

This.

Have the facilities (although admittedly some of them could use a lick of paint.. Or a bit more than that!), Have the passionate fans, Have a home side that should do reasonably well (not a pre-requisite, but certainly helps get the nation excited about it), and did a fantastic job of hosting last years Junior World Championships.

Also wouldn't mind seeing 3 pools hosted in Argentina, with the 4th hosted in Uruquay (provided they qualify)

Mind you, My support for an Argentine RWC is entirely conditional on Scotland getting to play at least 1 game here!








USA/Canada - Nothing against either of them, but not convinced the RWC would really get noticed. Particulalrly in the USA. Might be wrong, but regardless, there are others who deserve a shot first.

South Africa - Would do a fantastic job, have the facilities, have the support base ect. Certainly a safe bet, but they held '95. Yes that will be a 28 year gap, but there are still viable hosts who have never hosted it. Let someone else have a chance, eh? You can be the next 'safe host' after someone does a NZ

Russia - Lets see how they get on hosting the RWC 7's in 2 years before, and what that does for the sport there.