Ontario to run airport link after private deal collapses

[ssiguy2]

It should be built as part of the TTC system of mass transit whether it uses subway, SkyTrain, or monorail.
It could split at Etobico North stations with half the heads continuing to Pearson and half up HWY #10 to Woodbine Humber. Same thing as the Canada Line with trains leaving each point every 6 minutes {with future increased frequencies} resulting in 3 minute service along Et North station to Union. In other words treat it as a Metro but probably fewer stops ie Hwy 10, Weston, Eglinton, St.Clair, Bloor, Little Italy, Queen East, Liberty Village, CityPlace, Skydome, Union.
It would preferable to use a "M" system due to the trains being much quieter which is a big concern for people along the route who are already overburdened by GO trains diesel smoke, pollution, and noise.

[JustinB]

Originally Posted by ssiguy2

It should be built as part of the TTC system of mass transit whether it uses subway, SkyTrain, or monorail.
It could split at Etobico North stations with half the heads continuing to Pearson and half up HWY #10 to Woodbine Humber. Same thing as the Canada Line with trains leaving each point every 6 minutes {with future increased frequencies} resulting in 3 minute service along Et North station to Union. In other words treat it as a Metro but probably fewer stops ie Hwy 10, Weston, Eglinton, St.Clair, Bloor, Little Italy, Queen East, Liberty Village, CityPlace, Skydome, Union.

What?
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. There is no Hwy 10 in Toronto. Highway 10 is far west of the Airport, and Toronto. Woodbine/Humber? Woodbine Mall, Humber College? There will an LRT line nearby servicing that area. Assuming Transit City gets fully built out, there will be 2 LRT lines servicing the airport plus the Rail Link. Why would we want a light metro all the way to the airport? You do not seem to understand the hatred for such technology here. We do not want, nor need a light metro. It's a waste of money!

It would preferable to use a "M" system due to the trains being much quieter which is a big concern for people along the route who are already overburdened by GO trains diesel smoke, pollution, and noise.

The locals, and the city wants electrified EMU's on the route. Considering the nature of the ROW, EMU's make the most sense.
The only thing I can agree with you, is there isn't enough stops, and the fare should be integrated with GO, and the TTC.

[MattToronto]

Originally Posted by JustinB

The only thing I can agree with you, is there isn't enough stops, and the fare should be integrated with GO, and the TTC.

I wouldn't want too many stops, it would defeat the purpose of an "express", IMO at least...

I'm personally just basing it off of the Paddington to Heathrow Express in London which runs along the Tube line. It's amazingly convenient (not very cheap though, if I recall it was more than £10).

[JustinB]

a few stops is not going to affect service that much. There is a service that is similar to the Heathrow Express, but makes a few stops on the way to Paddington. As I recall the price is very reasonable, and not that much slower than the Express. We do not need an express service from the Airport to Union. I doubt the ridership is there for that. By adding a few stops, the service could attract many more riders, and not just a business clientele.

[MysticMcGoo]

Its not wise to assume that people getting off the plane at Pearson are going right downtown anyways.

[dleung]

I think ssiguy was referring to route 10 in Brampton?

Personally I think they should extend the bloor-danforth line as skytrain into Mississauga, with a spur line to YYZ at Sherway gardens. I agree about the need for no transfers. Maybe one train between downtown and Mississauga for every train from downtown to YYZ. All elevated. This region is too ugly to warrant the massive expense of tunnelling.

[JustinB]

Originally Posted by dleung

I think ssiguy was referring to route 10 in Brampton?

I don't think so. He lives in B.C., and acts like he's an expert on Toronto. This is not the first time he has made these sort of posts, and it's likely he'll make more silly posts.

You really need to understand, no one in Toronto wants light metro. We have had our fill with the Scarborough RT, and you're unlikely to find support for the technology. You would have an easier time just promoting an extension of the subway to Mississauga City Centre, a proposal that may have occurred, had not the current mayor, Hazel McCallion declared "no subways in Mississauga a couple of decades ago.

[manrush]

I don't get why some in Toronto are waiting for the results of the electrification study before even pondering electrifying the airport rail link.

Hopefully, there won't be a repeat of the "electrification is too expensive" mantra when time comes to put trains onto the line.

[MysticMcGoo]

Originally Posted by JustinB

You really need to understand, no one in Toronto wants light metro.

When you say "no one", who exactly do you mean? Cause I sure do. It's not like the densities outside of the core can support subways. What other realistic/semi-afforable alternatives do we have?


BUSSES!

[MattToronto]

I would love to see light metro! I'm tired of big diesel clunkers.

[JustinB]

Originally Posted by MysticMcGoo

When you say "no one", who exactly do you mean? Cause I sure do. It's not like the densities outside of the core can support subways. What other realistic/semi-afforable alternatives do we have?


BUSSES!

Light Rail. Why spend $150+ per km million on a light metro system, when LRT has been proven to do the job just as well? Implementing Light Metro can be tricky, too. Great examples are the Canada Line, and Docklands Light Railway where the lines reached capacity very quickly.

[MattToronto]

Originally Posted by JustinB

Great examples are the Canada Line, and Docklands Light Railway where the lines reached capacity very quickly.

Hasn't Docklands had some substantial work done recently? Might just be a rumour I heard...

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[JustinB]

Originally Posted by MattToronto

Hasn't Docklands had some substantial work done recently? Might just be a rumour I heard...

The DLR was expanded a few times. The first was 1991 to expand from 1 car platforms, to 2 car platforms. I believe the latest major expansion was to allow 3 car trains in time for the Olympics.

[Epi]

Originally Posted by kettal

HSR in urban area? That won't go over well.

You know that HSR all over the world runs in urban areas right? :p

[htpwn]

I haven't done any research into this line but can someone explain to me why GO Trains can't just be run down to Pearson? I understand some track work would need to be done but aside from that, what other problems would be associated with that? Not enough ridership? Pollution?

[JustinB]

Originally Posted by Epi

You know that HSR all over the world runs in urban areas right? :p

Not exactly. Most highspeed lines begun outside city centres, and the trains run on the older, slower lines into the city centre. I think only Japan has dedicated HSR's running through city centres, and even those line are limited to a certain speed.

[dleung]

HSR lines never end outside downtown, but yes they slow down in urban areas.

Originally Posted by JustinB

I don't think so. He lives in B.C., and acts like he's an expert on Toronto. This is not the first time he has made these sort of posts, and it's likely he'll make more silly posts.

You really need to understand, no one in Toronto wants light metro. We have had our fill with the Scarborough RT, and you're unlikely to find support for the technology. You would have an easier time just promoting an extension of the subway to Mississauga City Centre, a proposal that may have occurred, had not the current mayor, Hazel McCallion declared "no subways in Mississauga a couple of decades ago.

I live in BC too, haha. No one likes the Scarborough RT because it's a different track gauge, cannot integrate with the system, and cannot expand to meet demand. Yet the demand isn't there for a full subway, so in the future they may even downgrade to LRT. I had no idea Hazel was against subway... why?

[manrush]

Perhaps there could be two separate trains running on the airport line.

A more commuter-like train and a direct express.

Sort of like the new airport line in Bangkok.

[MattToronto]

Is the different gauge the reason that it makes that extremely annoying squeal, or is that just the degree of the turns?