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Old August 30th, 2005, 10:56 AM   #21
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Thos PCC's look awesome

Nice to hear they're still in operation. I agree that as long as the system is functional, that is ultimately the main goal. Boston was built around the same time as NYC wasn't it?
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Old August 30th, 2005, 09:35 PM   #22
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^Boston actually had the first subway line in North America. But it was only a short section of the current green line for streetcars, opening in 1898. New York opened its first subway line in 1904. So yes, much the 2 systems were built at roughly the same time, although i am unclear exactly when Boston's rapid transit lines first opened.
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Old August 31st, 2005, 06:16 PM   #23
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The Green Line is recently getting a newer version as seen in the first pic of the Green Line. Surprisingly, the newer version of the Red Line is actually around 10 years old. Back then, the train was consider very futuristic with automated stop announcement. Right now it is still very clean and very quiet during travel. The Blue line and the Orange Line has plans and rendering of its new train but has not been put into motion due to the renovations of multiple train station, the posibility of changing the Silver Line into light rail with a new tunnel, and the possibility of changing a route of the commuter rail into heavy rail and extending the green line to a few more stops. This puts heavy pressure on the budget my guess and so that these new trains will not be arriving anytime soon.
Probably much less financial pressure than the big dig did. They should expand it.

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Old August 31st, 2005, 10:54 PM   #24
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Thanks for this pics!!

The Boston´s subway map is one of my favourites, but trains.... nor really.

Is the silver line a new one? Have you got pics of this line?
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Old August 31st, 2005, 11:55 PM   #25
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The Silver Line is Bus Rapid Transit. The "western" of the two segments is just a bus lane down a major street, and isnt really rapid transit in most aspects. The other segement opened much more recently, and includes a substantial bus tunnel, and then a branch through a newish highway tunnel to Logan Airport, as well as surface branches to serve South Boston. The plan for Phase III is to link the two segments with a tunnel.
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Old September 1st, 2005, 04:04 AM   #26
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The Green Line low floor cars where found to derail at speeds above 25 mph or so. So now they only serve on the B-Line, because it is a highly traveled, slow line with very frequent stops. Anyone who has lived on this line can tell you how much of a pain in the behind it can be. Thankfully that hasn't been me yet. The C and D lines do have sections of track where they can go above 25 mph, so the new cars aren't used on these sections.

For all the train buffs, a ride on the D line is well worth some time if you are in Boston. It is an old heavy rail suburban line with a few great old station buildings, especially the Newton Center stop. Now it is just another branch of the green line, but it is the only one which is grade seperated.

As for the earlier comment on Transit Justice in Boston, it is completely true. But they are about to make a big change in the near future. There is a heavy rail commuter line that runs right through the middle of Roxbury and Dorchester sections of Boston. A Few months ago money was finally released to upgrade this line to add four of five more stops (there was currently only two in area) and significantly increase the frequence. It will be call the "Indigo Line" and should open in a few years. It will most likely end above ground with the other commuter rail lines at South Station.

http://www.mbta.com/projects_underway/fairmount_line_improvements.asp

(side note: this would be a great place to add a diesel light rail, but the MBTA is already overburdened and underfunded, so one step at a time.)

On a T map below, it is currently called the Fairmount Commuter Rail Line (they are purple) and you will notice that is runs in between the orange and the red line. This is a very densly populated area.



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Old September 1st, 2005, 04:56 AM   #27
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I wonder how the Indigo Line trains would look like. Any ideas glickel?
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Right now, my impression is that they are simply going to use short commuter trains. I know a few years ago they had actually looked at some DMU's. Personally I would love to see them use something like the Desiro on that line.

Or were you meaning as in train graphics?
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Old September 1st, 2005, 01:27 PM   #29
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The following are some visualizations for the Indigo Line:

Fairmont - Blue Hill Avenue


Fairmont - Morton Station


Fairmont - Talbot Avenue


Additional images can be viewed at:
http://www.mbta.com/projects_underwa...provements.asp
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Old September 2nd, 2005, 08:43 AM   #30
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Wow, look at all the wonderful Transit Oriented Development.

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Old September 2nd, 2005, 08:46 AM   #31
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Old September 3rd, 2005, 12:39 AM   #32
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I think he means the pratice of redeveloping land near new transit stops. Thus turnig low density to high rise housing, offices and retail. With a lot potential residents plus jobs next to public transport these people are less likely to use private transport and therefore will boost usage of the transit service.
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Old September 3rd, 2005, 01:16 AM   #33
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^Yes, that strategy makes perfect sense, but these plans that are shown are renderings for the transit itself, not for tha land use planning around them. The statement is just kind of out of left field.
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Old September 3rd, 2005, 02:25 AM   #34
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Wow, look at all the wonderful Transit Oriented Development.

Not.
You want transit oriented development? Fine. Here is the possible additional stop to orange line at Assembly Square.



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Old September 3rd, 2005, 05:53 AM   #35
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Elbow room grows along T's Green Line as ridership drops
By Lucas Wall, The Boston Globe
2 September 2005

Sep. 2--As thousands of college students move in this week, the MBTA is about to get its yearly back-to-school surge in ridership. But if recent trends continue, passengers on the Green Line will find it easier to grab a seat than in years past.

T ridership systemwide in the first half of this year hit its lowest level this decade. The drop is most pronounced on the Green Line, which serves Boston College, Boston University, Northeastern University, and other colleges. From January through May of this year, the trolley line's four branches recorded an average of 180,420 boardings per weekday. That's down 24 percent since the peak of 235,980 daily boardings for the same period in 2001, according to data from the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority.

The MBTA says the massive drop can be partly explained by the cancellation of last winter's National Hockey League season and suspended service north of North Station. Green Line trains typically ferry thousands of Boston Bruins fans to games at the TD Banknorth Garden dozens of times each winter, and the northern section of the line has been closed since June 2004 for renovation of the tracks over the Charles River.

Other factors also have cut ridership on all subway lines, including the economic slowdown after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Some Green Line riders, however, say they believe poor service has also pushed passengers away. During a recent trip on the D branch from the Park Street to Riverside stations and back, riders contended there were not enough cars to handle rush-hour crowds, trains were not arriving frequently enough, change machines were out of order, air conditioners were broken, there were long waits to board, and the occasional weekend track maintenance forces riders onto buses.

"I don't know what people are doing in terms of getting other transportation, but if there's ways to get around it, I would do it, too," said Kim Linkletter of Brighton, who lives between the B and D branches near Boston College. "The B line has too many stops, and the D trains aren't reliable at all."

T ridership typically goes down during the summer as students leave and workers go on vacation, then rebounds in September. Last year, 25,700 more people each day rode the Green Line in September than in August.

A similar spike is expected this month, said MBTA spokesman Joe Pesaturo. He said the T is working to improve service along the Green Line in hopes of drawing more people this fall.

Starting Tuesday, the T is adding three B branch stops to its "Show-n-Go" program. From 6:45 to 9:15 a.m., riders with prepurchased passes can board the trolleys through any door and flash their pass; normally, everyone must board through the front door, and passholders have to wait in line behind riders paying cash. The Allston Street, Long Avenue, and Warren Street stations will join 17 other stops where the expedited-boarding program has been in effect since last year.

By early November, when the construction is finished north of North Station, Green Line service should be restored to the Science Park and Lechmere stations. Projects are underway or about to start to upgrade several stations, including Arlington, Copley, Government Center, and Kenmore, Pesaturo said.

"We really believe there is a bright future ahead for the Green Line with all these improvements," he said, "and we hope that people will come back to it."
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That does look nice at Assembly Square. If they really do build that mixed development, it'd be a great step in improving conditions in East Somerville. It's just a huge parking lot with Home Depot, K Mart, and other big box retailers now.
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Old September 5th, 2005, 01:54 PM   #37
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Does Connex operate the rail services in Boston??

I too agree its better to have a service rather than none.
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Does Connex operate the rail services in Boston??

I too agree its better to have a service rather than none.
To my knowledge, unlike Britain and Australia, there are no privately operated passenger services at all in the US. They are either provided by local state agencies such as the MBTA of Massachusetts, or by the national rail operator, Amtrak. Freight is operated by private companies.

Even though it is better to have a service then none, I think that the system should improve. The frequency of trains on the green line is especially questionable, and the more enticing the metro, the more likely people are going to leave their car at home.
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Oh ok, I just thought I'd read somewhere that Boston's commuter trains are run by Connex.
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Old September 5th, 2005, 10:14 PM   #40
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^Yeah, the communter rail service in Boston is contracted out to a third party. That is some good trivia knowledge. Amtrak used to run it, but I think it got sold to a someone else. It could very well be Connex.

Now to the every craziness of Boston/Massachusetts politics. The Silver line/BRT is a hard one to figure out. If you look at the map above the two seperate sections are supposed to be connected through a tunnel in downtown boston. The tunnel will probably cost about $1 Billon to construct (not an exact figure, but I rounded up, because construction is always much more in beantown). And we are talking about a mile of tunnel here.

So a few weeks ago the tunnel project was put on standby because they cannot find a suitable location for tunnel entrance on the Washington Street side of the Silver Line. One possible location is in front of a hospital, which claims that the vibrations from construction of the tunnel will disrupt delicate sugeries. Another entrance on Culombus Ave is getting oppostion from the well to do neighbors who don't want the inceased traffic.

In addition, residents on the Washington Street side have been calling for a light rail line, instread of the bus. It could use an old entrance to the green line which was been closed for a number of years ago but is still there. It would come into the boyleston station on the green line. If you have ever riden the green line, you will notice that Boyleston has two extra tracks at the station. They lead to the a spur which used to run down washington street before the orange line elevated tracks were built in the 1920's. So to summarize there is already infrastructer in place.

So why didn't the MBTA invest in a light rail line to an area that was promised quality service. It is all about the airport and development dollars. The other end of the silver line which goes to the airport via a new harbor tunnel and through old industrial area that is to be come redeveloped (hopely to something similar to what has been dones to the docklands area in london). So this somewhat makes sense to have a BRT system then rail.
1) very expensive to build another harbor tunnel and train system at the airport
2) But there needs to be service to South Boston area as well, so than can go through the city streets

But in order to get the dollars to extend the BRT underground into downtown boston, they sold the federal goverment on the dual idea of providing easier airport access, but also giving an underground ride for the washington street line. This is an underserved community in many aspects, so they used the ideas of transit justice to sell the federal government on expansive BRT line, but ignoring much better access, an potential less costly measures.

As you can see a complex conveluted story that is far from over. The governement has been suspicious of the project as well and has recently downgraded the importance of the project. Reducing the likelyhood of it being funded, and giving the MBTA another reason to but this project on hold.

I hope that is somewhat clear.
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