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Old October 21st, 2015, 06:00 PM   #481
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MBTA is running an online survey regarding design of new transit vehicles.

Source: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/vehiclesurvey2015

Orange Line options:







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Red Line options:





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Old October 22nd, 2015, 02:33 AM   #482
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That last option is very Manchester/Los Angeles. I would go for red/orange #1. It's the classiest. They should adopt that livery for all lines if it were up to me.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 03:26 AM   #483
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MBTA is running an online survey regarding design of new transit vehicles.


Orange Line options:


Green Line options:


Red Line options:
IS THIS REAL?
Does that mean they're just changing the design, or bring in new trains that look like the options? hopefully new trains, most of their trains right now need major upgrades!
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 05:18 AM   #484
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New trains the trains shown above are all renders based on the design specs of the new cars they are ordering for those lines.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 03:49 PM   #485
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Well, they look old already. No matter which livery will be chosen, they are old even before they've started service, they are old before they were constructed. It's really weird.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 07:24 PM   #486
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I don't see how they look old already the red line reminds me of the new subway cars NYC has gotten for the IND/BMT division. The orange line just looks like and update to the current cars. I realize they aren't as streamlined as some newer designs but they don't look old per se.

The new green line cars on the other hand I am somewhat disappointed in compared to the earlier renders which looked sleeker.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 07:38 PM   #487
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the new subway cars NYC has gotten
That's exactly what he means, lol. He means that the current models still look the same as those from 80 years ago. That there's been no real design evolution.

As for the Green Line.. well.. that train looks like it's from the '70s and I didn't know those things could be even produced to look that old anymore. That Green Line color scheme? Let's just not talk about it ok
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 05:14 PM   #488
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Aside from articulated trains and adding a streamlined front to the subway trains which would be really good not a lot can be changed because of tunnel dimension and really articulation is the biggest thing that I think should have been done for this order but that wouldn't really change how the cars look it would just make them function slightly differently. A streamlined front isn't really necessary because the speeds don't get high enough to require it.

I do agree with you on the light rail car being disappointing but that is largely the MBTA's refusal to look and see if it would be possible to buy off the shelf designs by making adjustments to the Park Street loop and Boylston Curve.

I don't mind the color scheme although a dark green like on the rehabbed type 7 cars looks best imo.
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 08:33 PM   #489
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Track re-arrangement in the Green Line core would be hideously expensive.

And the only experiment with altered fronts on the NYC Subway were the R-40s, which failed through serious safety issues. Looks must take a back seat behind practicality in these matters, and there is only so much that can be done while maximizing clearances on a legacy system.
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 09:43 PM   #490
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I'm not talking about streamlining it. It's often not even necessary or sometimes even unpractical. I'm talking about aesthetics. Why would you build a new train that looks like it's old already? And all that safety talk is just an excuse.. and you know it.
Take this particular system I'm talking about; Renowned for its small tubular infrastructure, but still thinking ahead when it comes to practicality, sensibility and design.

Can't blame it all on Boston though, because I understand the look of the vehicles are of a lesser priority when you have shitty infrastructure, service and funding. But now you actually have the opportunity, and it doesn't have to cost a whole lot more by the way, but you don't take it. That's all I'm saying. Luckily we still have the new BART trains to look forward to.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 05:19 AM   #491
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I would say the reason for not doing something like London may be, although I don't know for sure, an attempt to save money if the other design might cost more. Or it could just be the MBTA not pushing ahead like with so many other things.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 02:52 PM   #492
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My guess is that its economies of scale. Besides the idea that sticking to an existing design saves time and money by not having to vet it or have someone design it, the only explanation I could ever come up with is that they just buy what's currently being made.

The reason a lot of heavy rail trains seem to look so similar is that I suspect they come from the same plants, which likely are fully equipped to pump out a particular type, since some agency, somewhere is likely on a contract for it at any given time.

In other words, Agency A is looking to procure 1000 cars, they worked with a particular design, in the past, and so happens Agency B had just signed a contract for 1000 cars at the same plant, yet to be fulfilled.

Otherwise, I can never figure out why the MTA loves the design they use so much... And no one ever gives a satisfactory explanation. I'm sure it's more than intransgigence, though, and I don't think they're saving money by not getting an off-the-shelf design. Thus, they must be getting a cost-savings somewhere else.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 05:18 PM   #493
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If they really wanted to save money they should have piggybacked on the MTAs order because the red line is the same dimension as some of their lines but they didn't so I'm not sure I think they are actually just relying on CNRs super low bid price.
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Which MTA order?
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I had thought that several years ago they had ordered new subway cars... Maybe I am remembering incorrectly but I thought the r160A/B order had been just a few years back...
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I think Boston cars are slightly smaller then New York's...
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Could be for some reason I thought that they were.

According to wikipedia and a blog Charlie on the MBTA the red line cars are 69' long and about 10' wide so they are a little longer than the r160s and a few inches wider.
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Old November 5th, 2015, 05:20 PM   #498
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Second Quarter 2015 Daily Ridership numbers for Boston

Heavy Rail / MBTA (Red , Blue , Orange) - 570,000 (2015)
: 1.01% +
Bus Ridership / MBTA Bus - 387,400 (2015) : -2.75%
Trolley Bus / MBTA - 4,600 (2015) : -14.17%
Commuter Rail / MBTA - 122,900 (2015) : -7.08%
Light Rail / MBTA (Green line) - 229,500 (2015) : 1.10%
Ferries / MBTA - 5,300 (2015) : -1.57%
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New subway cars - survey winners announced

Orange Line winning design:



Green Line winning design:



Red Line winning design:



source: MassDOT press release (http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/n...?id=6442455226)
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Old November 17th, 2015, 12:36 PM   #500
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on 29th november i'll arrive to boston heading further to burlington, mass for three days. i could take a taxi but as big fan of urban transportation i am wondering whether there is any other option (bus, train...) to get from boston (logan, downtown...) to burlington (burlington marriott hotel). i've been in boston twice in the past, i can orient myself in the downtown and area around but never been in the area of burlington ?
thanks for help !
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