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Old August 8th, 2010, 04:44 PM   #1
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[MNG] Mongolia | road infrastructure • Монгол улс

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Ulaanbataar, 2005

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Ulaanbataar, 2009

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So, I think we can establish there are major developments in Ulaanbataar. But what about the roads?
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Old August 8th, 2010, 04:45 PM   #2
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Pictures grabbed from Google Earth in and around Ulaanbataar.















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Old August 8th, 2010, 07:57 PM   #3
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I don't think Mongolia has a real intercity highway network, only dirt tracks.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 07:59 PM   #4
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Weird to see people walking on the road in the 4th image. Reminds me of North Korea
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Old August 8th, 2010, 08:02 PM   #5
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Apparently, there is an east-west highway under construction, called the Millennium Highway. But the road to the Chinese border at Erenhot is just dirt tracks, only the border crossing is paved.

It has to be noted though that Mongolia is extremely sparsely populated, only 2.7 million people on an area 3 times larger than France.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 08:18 PM   #6
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what is that checkpoint at entrance to Ulaan Baatar?
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Old August 8th, 2010, 08:23 PM   #7
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I don't know, I've spotted one on the west side, and one on the east side. Maybe they are toll booths, or regular checkpoints like you have in Russia.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 11:57 PM   #8
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It seems to me that these are police checkpoints rather than toll stations.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 12:10 AM   #9
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I don't think Mongolia has a real intercity highway network, only dirt tracks.
Horses and wagons don't need highways, just dirty roads.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 03:01 AM   #10
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I don't think Mongolia has a real intercity highway network, only dirt tracks.
I've found this map. There're ~800 km of paved roads in Mongolia.


http://www.unescap.org/ttdw/roadsafe...tatuspaper.pdf
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Old August 11th, 2010, 04:18 PM   #12
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I've found this map. There're ~800 km of paved roads in Mongolia.


http://www.unescap.org/ttdw/roadsafe...tatuspaper.pdf

1900 km meanwhile
Ondorchaan and Tsetserleg have been linked with paved highway, and hopefully also the road to the Chinese border will be finished somedaywithin the 22nd century
Economy is developing fast now, at the same pace as in China, but the disastrous road network is a shame for the government (sic(
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Old October 28th, 2010, 06:26 PM   #13
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wtf??? keep on posting
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Old October 28th, 2010, 09:01 PM   #14
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Don't worry, most threads around here go dead for years

But are there seriously plans to complete a road to the Chinese border in the 22nd Century .

Do you think that the Mongolian road network will grow a lot?

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Old October 30th, 2010, 08:02 PM   #15
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Don't worry, most threads around here go dead for years
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Do you think that the Mongolian road network will grow a lot?
It has to grow inevitably, when all the mining activities are started. The resources have to be brought across the border to China or at least Europe.

Up to now, there are only some concrete plans to extend the railway system by linking the isolated Eastern Mongolian railway system to the Transmongolian system to transport the copper and coal reserves from the Gobi desert to Russia. This seems a bit odd, becuase most mining sites are located just next to the Chinese border. But Mongolians traditionally fear the Chinese and regard the Russians to be a more trustworthy partner. A huge amount of these mining resources shall be shipped from Vladivostok to Japan or S Korea, both countries which Monglia tries to strengthen its relations to. Sainshand, now a small desert town with a 20000 pop. shall grow into a central logistic hub then, increasing its population tenfold.

The mining receipts will be that high, that the road network will be inevitably upgraded and extended. But I recommend he Mongolian government to hire some experts from abraod for that as the Mongols do not seem to able to do that without external support.

Mongolia is not as poor as some may think. Everybody is literate thoughout the country, every Mongol gets free health care, the economy has been growing for years, a considerable middle class has emerged in the big cities, even the nomads earn some money by selling cashmere, some gers use solar energy to keep their TVs running, the development in its only real city Ulaanbaatar is as dynamic as Chinese cities, boutiques, trendy bars and Louis Vitton outlets document this upbeat atmosphere.

But the road network remains a complete disaster.
One reason may be the huge geographic expense and the small financial base resutling from a tiny population (3 mio. people in a country three times as big as France). Needless to say, also the harsh climate requires a lot of repair works.
But you also have to blame some of the few humans living there. The government has promised to construct a road running though the country 10 years ago (it should be finished by now) and nothing has been done. This was just an idea to win the votes.
Each year only roughly 50 _ 100 km of roads are constructed and the quality is so bad that you have to up uprgrade the road anyway some years later again. These are politics to appease the rural population. When a road is put into contruction there only has to be some asphalt visible. How it looks like a year later after elections are won, does not matter too much.

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Mongolia is a country with a HUGE economic potential, so the road network has to grow eventually.
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Old October 31st, 2010, 01:45 AM   #17
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But you also have to blame some of the few humans living there. The government has promised to construct a road running though the country 10 years ago (it should be finished by now) and nothing has been done. This was just an idea to win the votes.
I blame the country's leadership for the gravel road to China. True, Mongolia is big and sparsely populated, but then again, I live in a tiny country with half less people, and we still have thousands of kilometers of paved roads.
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I blame the country's leadership for the gravel road to China. True, Mongolia is big and sparsely populated, but then again, I live in a tiny country with half less people, and we still have thousands of kilometers of paved roads.
Slovenias economy is much more advanced as Monglias is. The problem about the Mongolian road network is its extremely low population density. The provincial towns are tiny isolated outposts in a harsh environment separated some 100 kms away from each other. Even if the country would be rich, there were just too few people to develop a sufficient road network in a short period of time.

Take a look at Russia or Canada, they also have few roads in their North.

Nevertheless, your point of critiyism is correct. A paved road to China should be a must as it would close the last gap and create a new silk road from Europe to China. Trade links would be expanded and a lot cheaper from now. But maybe thats what the Mongolians acutally fear. Millions of Chinese coming over the boarder, doing business and turning Outer Mongolia into a new Inner Chinese Mongolia
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Old October 31st, 2010, 05:24 PM   #19
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Slovenias economy is much more advanced as Monglias is. The problem about the Mongolian road network is its extremely low population density. The provincial towns are tiny isolated outposts in a harsh environment separated some 100 kms away from each other. Even if the country would be rich, there were just too few people to develop a sufficient road network in a short period of time.

Take a look at Russia or Canada, they also have few roads in their North.
Yes, but that's because they would lead to nowhere. You can't describe China as 'nowhere'. Russians and Canadians have paved roads in their north everywhere it's worth, like to Murmansk/Norway, or to Alaska. Mongolia doesn't have a single paved road to China. Also, Ulaanbaatar is in the same country as those isolated towns, so its economy can finance the road. As for Slovenia, we've had thousands of kms of paved roads since we were a relatively poor country (not as much as Mongolia, of course, but still). My point is that Mongolia didn't fall from the sky yesterday. They could've paved that road 20 years ago, if they wanted to. But anyway, we seem to agree.
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There are only 3 cities in Mongolia over 40.000 inhabitants.
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