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Old July 17th, 2015, 07:21 PM   #61
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Here is an updated picture of Mitsubishi Aircraft Corporation's flight test hangar. The hangar is almost done!

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Old July 20th, 2015, 12:14 AM   #62
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First of all, I am please that Mitsubishi is building a test facility for the MRJ in Washington state... Looks like it will need to collaborate with Boeing to develop aircraft suitable for the American market since the needs of American carriers (and the FAA) is different than those found in Asia.

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I don't think that the MRJ will see much success in America. The size of the plane doesn't fit in well with scope clauses. The MRJ 90 is too heavy to allow it to be operated by the regionals, and the MRJ70 isn't big enough to have many premium seats, unlike the CRJ900 and E175.

Or they can get the Delta pilots to relax scope clauses, which will then cascade throughout the industry. Delta pilots would even vote their own jobs away if it meant better payscales.
But remember: quality trumps quantity. If you have an aircraft that is built very well and performs better than their rivals, then you would invest in some of the MRJs to expand and enhance your regional fleet. I mean, from the looks of it, MRJ can surpass the CRJ, C-Series, and E-Jets at some point if it truly appeals to a broader market than just the United States and Canada.

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I am sure MRJ will be a huge success in Asian countries as there are more passengers flying than before. Especially countries like Philippines, Indonesia, India, Malaysia and Thailand. Asia offer a huge market for regional jets.
Indeed. I could even foresee it complement, if not replace, the propeller aircraft in many cases, especially for short-haul, inter-island ops.
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Old July 20th, 2015, 05:45 AM   #63
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First of all, I am please that Mitsubishi is building a test facility for the MRJ in Washington state... Looks like it will need to collaborate with Boeing to develop aircraft suitable for the American market since the needs of American carriers (and the FAA) is different than those found in Asia.



But remember: quality trumps quantity. If you have an aircraft that is built very well and performs better than their rivals, then you would invest in some of the MRJs to expand and enhance your regional fleet. I mean, from the looks of it, MRJ can surpass the CRJ, C-Series, and E-Jets at some point if it truly appeals to a broader market than just the United States and Canada.



Indeed. I could even foresee it complement, if not replace, the propeller aircraft in many cases, especially for short-haul, inter-island ops.
Can you explain how can Mitsubishi suit their MRJs to American needs? Like can you give examples?

And yes I agree on your second point. Propeller aircraft can ply on thin routes in most of the Asian countries because of their lower operational costs. (I am not sure about other continents though). Then these MRJs ply on routes which have higher demands because of their higher operational costs
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Old July 20th, 2015, 06:18 AM   #64
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Think of competition. It's like, okay:

- Bombardier CRJs operated in the US are mostly the -200, -700, and -900 variants (I have yet to see the -1000 variant) -- it also operates the Q400, but with a small number of airlines
- Embraer aircraft found in the US tend to be more of the EMB-120 (being retired), ERJ-140, ERJ-145, E170, E175, and E195 (which is a diverse set)

Beyond that, however, there is not as much diversity as one might expect in other countries where you can see a plethora of aircraft in operation, including:

- Antonov AN-148 (Cubana has it)
- ATR-42 and 72 (Aeromar and Azul have it)
- Fokker 70/100 (Iran Air and Austrian Airlines)
- Sukhoi SSJ-100 (Interjet has it, US carriers don't)

What I'm aiming for is that each airline will have their own needs, in which they don't have to shackle themselves to Bombardier or Embraer...
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Old July 21st, 2015, 05:34 AM   #65
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The MRJ won't be successful in America because it is too large to operate with regional airlines because of scope clauses but too small to be popular with mainline.

The -90 is too heavy for scope at all the major carriers. 86,000 lbs is the limit at most places. The -70 is within the max weight but it can't hold as many premium seats as the CRJs and ejets.

There is no chance that scope will be relaxed right now. Pilots have never been in such a strong position. Delta pilots just rejected their first TA ever.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 05:08 AM   #66
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Mitsubishi Aircraft opens engineering center in Seattle

SEATTLE — Mitsubishi Aircraft Corporation has opened an engineering center in Seattle, Washington.

The opening of the Seattle Engineering Center (SEC) enables Mitsubishi Aircraft to tap professional expertise on aircraft development and to accelerate the development of its MRJ (Mitsubishi Regional Jet).

SEC will work with AeroTEC to accelerate the MRJ’s conformity activities and provide prompt support for flight tests in the U.S. that are scheduled to start in the second quarter of 2016 based at the Grant County International Airport at Moses Lake in Washington..... to read more click here
With Trans States Airlines placing 50 confirmed and 50 optional, SkyWest Airlines placing another 100 confirmed and 100 optional and Eastern Air Lines placing 20 confirmed and another 20 optional, I'd say MRJ has fortified a foothold in the US market unlike some nay sayers.
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Old August 31st, 2015, 04:24 AM   #67
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NHK had just confirmed scheduled maiden flight of the MRJ.

After pushing up test of the wing box to see how the reinforcements works Mitsubishi Aircrafts announces they have scheduled the maiden flight in late October. They have not set any specific date as of yet to see how the weather would be.

You can read the article in Japanese here.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/2015...210021000.html
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Old November 11th, 2015, 03:48 AM   #68
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MRJ had finally made her maiden flight today at 9:35AM local time.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/2015...301601000.html

There is a vid in within the link.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 03:55 AM   #69
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I mean, from the looks of it, MRJ can surpass the CRJ, C-Series, and E-Jets at some point if it truly appeals to a broader market than just the United States and Canada.
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indeed, but c-series can be considered the same category? they are much larger
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Old November 11th, 2015, 02:34 PM   #70
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It will be very hard to compete with Embraer. Firstly and probably most importantly because of economies of scale. With over a 1000 E-Jets delivered Embraer can offer so much more to their customers then the manufactures of new types. Better operational support, better aftermarket options (parts etc,), better resell value. It will also be much easier to add the E-Jet E2 to the fleet when an airline already operates the current gen E-Jets. It will be hard for any competitor to capture the same worldwide market that Embraer has been able to do the last couple of decades.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 02:35 PM   #71
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Congratulations to Mitsubishi with the first flight.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 02:59 PM   #72
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Old November 11th, 2015, 09:02 PM   #74
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Old November 13th, 2015, 09:20 AM   #75
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MRJ in ANA colors



Other news, Mitsubishi not working on the 100 seat version until later.

No news on the YPX sadly.
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Although this is purely my speculation, I believe the next commercial liner Japan will put on the market would be the super sonic jet that JAXA had been studying.

http://www.aero.jaxa.jp/research/fro...t/concept.html

http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2005/10/20051010_sst_j.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_G...onic_Transport

JAXA had tested a model going at Mach 2 this year while reducing the sonic boom by 50% through design of the plane.

Boeing has predicted that the next generation commercial liners would prefer point to point instead of hub to hub in which the natural next step would be fast planes in which case it would be a super-sonic liner that has a much smaller noise footprint than the Concorde enabling it to traverse over land.
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Although this is purely my speculation, I believe the next commercial liner Japan will put on the market would be the super sonic jet that JAXA had been studying.

http://www.aero.jaxa.jp/research/fro...t/concept.html

http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2005/10/20051010_sst_j.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_G...onic_Transport

JAXA had tested a model going at Mach 2 this year while reducing the sonic boom by 50% through design of the plane.

Boeing has predicted that the next generation commercial liners would prefer point to point instead of hub to hub in which the natural next step would be fast planes in which case it would be a super-sonic liner that has a much smaller noise footprint than the Concorde enabling it to traverse over land.
but what's the fuel efficiency?
its hard for me to see any kind of supersonic jet being widely adopted (if at all) unless there's either a big demand for it/remain price competitive with subsonic airliners.
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but what's the fuel efficiency?
its hard for me to see any kind of supersonic jet being widely adopted (if at all) unless there's either a big demand for it/remain price competitive with subsonic airliners.
Well it's not going to be cheap like LCC more like the tickets would be around the business C class level but I am sure there will be some market for these planes that can get you to Europe from Japan within 5~6 hours.
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How did this thread get to 4 pages and 5 years of age and with no pics of the Japanese Sexy Beast???

The Honda H-420 Hondajet.

http://www.hondajet.com/

It is actually built in the US and has provisional FAA certification since March 2015 with full certification imminent. They are allowed to fly in the US and have been seen in other countries this summer.

Around 10 are already built ready to ship to customers on receipt of Final Certification. Order book around 100 or so. $4.5m a pop.





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It's pretty much an American jet actually. Only owned by Honda.
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