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Old November 17th, 2015, 04:50 AM   #81
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It's pretty much an American jet actually. Only owned by Honda.
How do you figure?

I believe it was designed in Japan.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 06:48 AM   #82
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How do you figure?

I believe it was designed in Japan.
yup! it was designed wholly in Japan, but Honda at that time (perhaps still), didn't have any facilities for aviation. That's why they went to the US and used existing facilities there for testing. Honda is still new in the aerospace industry.
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 02:57 PM   #83
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Not directly civil aviation, but Japanese sources are stating that the Shin Meiwa (now called Shin MayWa, probably to make it easier for foreigners to pronounce), is about to secure a deal with India for 12 aircraft in December.

Although used by the Japanese Naval Self Defense Force, it could easily be adopted for civilian roles, especially in terms of Search and rescue, perhaps fire fighting, similar to the Bombardier 415 and other seaplanes.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 04:04 AM   #84
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but what's the fuel efficiency?
its hard for me to see any kind of supersonic jet being widely adopted (if at all) unless there's either a big demand for it/remain price competitive with subsonic airliners.
Ok here is an article that pushes my speculation forward.

http://www.sankei.com/life/news/1512...070009-n1.html

The article reports that JAXA is planning on constructing a supersonic airliner that can transport up to 50 people at Mach 1.6 around 2030 at costs around 2 trillion yen.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 07:06 AM   #85
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Ok here is an article that pushes my speculation forward.

http://www.sankei.com/life/news/1512...070009-n1.html

The article reports that JAXA is planning on constructing a supersonic airliner that can transport up to 50 people at Mach 1.6 around 2030 at costs around 2 trillion yen.
thanks for the update! I hope they get far with that project

an update on the Mitsubishi MRJ. It seems that it's flown 3 times so far.
The third time had its flaps up. Via aviationweek



I wonder if the airframe would be good for a mini-awacs use. something to replace the E-2 airframe?
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Old December 7th, 2015, 10:59 AM   #86
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I wonder if the airframe would be good for a mini-awacs use. something to replace the E-2 airframe?
== Edit ==
The MRJ is too big for a mini AWACS. It would be better to utilize the P-1 airframe for a full blown AWACS.
For a mini AWACS pressurize the cockpit and redo the V-22 to scan sideways since the large rotors would be an obstacle.

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big news

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ndajet-419890/

FAA awards type certification to HondaJet

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The HondaJet HA-420 light business jet has received type certification, allowing Honda Aircraft to begin making deliveries within days.
The US Federal Aviation Administration confirmed that the airworthiness certificate for the HA-420 was approved on 8 December. The approval occurred “as scheduled”, an FAA spokesman says.

Greensboro, North Carolina-based Honda Aircraft has been pursuing certification of the light jet for more than 12 years. The original HA-420 prototype completed first flight in 2003.

But flight testing prompted Honda to redesign and enlarge the aircraft’s engine. A partnership with GE Aviation produced the HF120 turbofan.

After several more delays, Honda Aircraft received a provisional type certification from the FAA last March.

Honda Aircraft chief executive Michimasa Fujino announced at the NBAA convention in November that the HA-420 had also completed functional and reliability testing, ending the flight test phase of the certification campaign.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 08:02 AM   #88
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== Edit ==
The MRJ is too big for a mini AWACS. It would be better to utilize the P-1 airframe for a full blown AWACS.
For a mini AWACS pressurize the cockpit and redo the V-22 to scan sideways since the large rotors would be an obstacle.
i've just noticed you edited it.
the MRJ would be about the size of the Embraer R-99 and Saab 2000 which are both used as awacs (on a smaller scale). For some reason, Japan chose the E-2D over a bigger awacs based on the 737 (at which point, I would agree, the P-1 would be better).
Would've been better to keep more parts local and domestic.

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seems like indeed the P-1 was considered


more here

http://www.mod.go.jp/trdi/org/pdf/27gaisan.pdf
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Old December 12th, 2015, 08:00 AM   #89
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i've just noticed you edited it.
the MRJ would be about the size of the Embraer R-99 and Saab 2000 which are both used as awacs (on a smaller scale). For some reason, Japan chose the E-2D over a bigger awacs based on the 737 (at which point, I would agree, the P-1 would be better).
There is a difference between AEW, AW&C and, AWACS.
The smaller sized AEW systems are only radars up in the sky in which they transmit the coordinates to a control center which evaluates and assess threat level and commands all nearby airborne units.

AWACS has the command capability within the plane so it doesn't have to rely the information to a larger command center. This way they can take a load off from the central command center.

AEW like the E-2Ds are for local early warning in which it scouts the over the horizon area from sea level of any to spot incoming further away. That is why they are utilized heavily on USN Carrier groups.
JMSDF needs this capability to support their new Izumo class LHAs but since they can't launch fixed wings the V-22 with AEW capabilities is required for them to become fully independent.

The MRJ is what you call 帯に短し襷に長し in which it's too big for an AEW but too small to handle all the equipment and personnel for a full AWACS mission.
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There is a difference between AEW, AW&C and, AWACS.
The smaller sized AEW systems are only radars up in the sky in which they transmit the coordinates to a control center which evaluates and assess threat level and commands all nearby airborne units.

AWACS has the command capability within the plane so it doesn't have to rely the information to a larger command center. This way they can take a load off from the central command center.

AEW like the E-2Ds are for local early warning in which it scouts the over the horizon area from sea level of any to spot incoming further away. That is why they are utilized heavily on USN Carrier groups.
JMSDF needs this capability to support their new Izumo class LHAs but since they can't launch fixed wings the V-22 with AEW capabilities is required for them to become fully independent.

The MRJ is what you call 帯に短し襷に長し in which it's too big for an AEW but too small to handle all the equipment and personnel for a full AWACS mission.
I'm pretty impressed you know that term for a foreigner. Also thanks for explaining the differences.
Since the Japanese government is doing wind model tests of the P-1 with a radar on top, wouldn't a balance beam type be better aerodynamically.. like the one on the Turkish 737 based awacs, or the ones the Swedish use?
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Old December 12th, 2015, 02:44 PM   #91
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I'm pretty impressed you know that term for a foreigner. Also thanks for explaining the differences.
Since the Japanese government is doing wind model tests of the P-1 with a radar on top, wouldn't a balance beam type be better aerodynamically.. like the one on the Turkish 737 based awacs, or the ones the Swedish use?
Aughhhh, I'm 日本人.
I believe you are talking about the AEW&C.
Well you should read this.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83...95.8F.E9.A1.8C

I also believe it has a blind spot in the front and rear due to it's design.
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http://asia.nikkei.com/Markets/Tokyo...oubling-profit

Mitsubishi Heavy's aviation business seen more than doubling profit

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Aviation is giving a lift to Japanese heavy industry companies this fiscal year thanks to brisk demand for plane parts.

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' commercial aviation and transport systems business is on track to generate nearly 60 billion yen ($484 million) in operating profit in the year through March, up 150% on the year and far surpassing the 45 billion yen projected at the end of July.

Robust sales of parts used in Boeing aircraft are pushing up earnings, as are productivity improvements.

Last fiscal year, the company supplied the main wings and rear fuselage for 98 Boeing 777s and 122 787 Dreamliners. The volume is seen increasing by a few units for each type this fiscal year. In response to the strong sales, Mitsubishi Heavy is preparing an output increase. Efficiency enhancement measures that went into full swing late last fiscal year will widen margins, too. The company had been processing parts in Aichi Prefecture and assembling them in Hiroshima Prefecture. But the company is shifting to handling everything in Hiroshima.

Aircraft parts are sold in dollars, so the yen's sharper-than-expected decline against the greenback is amplifying earnings, too.

The mainstay energy and environment business is likely to fall short of the earnings forecast made at the end of July -- which projects a 5% increase in operating profit to 170 billion yen -- due in part to troubleshooting costs at some power generation facilities. But with the aviation segment offsetting the negative impact, the company is still seen attaining its overall operating profit target of 320 billion yen, up 8%.

The aviation businesses of other heavy industry companies are also doing well.

Operating profit in Kawasaki Heavy Industries' aerospace segment is likely to jump 21% to 44 billion yen. The company upgraded its initial forecast by 3 billion yen at the end of October. Sales of forward and center fuselages have been brisk, as have landing gear wheel wells to Boeing and other private-sector customers. And efforts to cut costs are paying off, too.

IHI's aerospace and defense business is expected to see a 19% increase in operating profit to 47 billion yen. The segment, which supplies engines and engine parts to both Boeing and Airbus, is seen generating the bulk of the 50 billion yen group operating profit forecast by the company.

Aircraft demand is expected to continue growing as the number of air travelers increases in emerging markets and elsewhere. Airlines order aircraft with a long-term view so demand is somewhat insulated from economic fluctuations.

The Japanese companies, highly reputed for their technology, work with Boeing and Airbus from the development stage, limiting the risk of price competition.
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Indeed I hope it attracts many female passengers
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good job sherlock. now we know you are able to read diagrams.
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...hedule-420112/

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Mitsubishi Aircraft is reviewing the development schedule for the MRJ regional jet, following the commencement of flight-testing.

The airframer says the “entire schedule” from testing to initial delivery is being examined, in co-operation with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.

Mitsubishi has not specifically stated whether this review is an indicator of possible further delays to the programme.

It says only that it will disclose the results of the assessment before the end of December.

The MRJ is currently set to be delivered in the second quarter of 2017.

Mitsubishi conducted the maiden flight of the Pratt & Whitney PW1200G-powered type on 11 November.
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EIS delayed a full year for the MRJ. MID 2018 now.

Even Bombardier will beat that.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...d-another-year
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Better news for Honda.

The first Hondajet was delivered to a customer this week.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...jet-deliveries

I really look forward to finally seeing one. It is the neatest thing in the sky...anywhere.

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