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Old August 10th, 2010, 11:30 PM   #1
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Self-serve, or full?

Hot topic of the day on the forum at aaroads.com: places where you're not allowed to pump your own gas. In the U.S., this is the states of New Jersey and Oregon. So let's globalize this: what countries (or states, provinces, etc.) have self-service and which don't? Just curious....
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Old August 10th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #2
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Interesting, I had no idea that they still required full service on those states. I have never seen a full service station down here in Florida. I have seen some a while back in North Carolina though.

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Old August 10th, 2010, 11:39 PM   #3
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If you can't pump your own gas, how the hell can you be smart enough to drive?

...Oh wait, it's New Jersey, never mind. (Sorry Oregon!)


...I already knew about full-service in Oregon, but not NJ.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 11:42 PM   #4
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If you can't pump your own gas, how the hell can you be smart enough to drive?

...Oh wait, it's New Jersey, never mind. (Sorry Oregon!)


...I already knew about full-service in Oregon, but not NJ.
Like I've said before, y'all want to commit treason en masse again.... Although I see large chunks of Northern Virginia pulling a West Virginia this time. Or perhaps just joining the existing one. :-P
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Old August 11th, 2010, 12:27 AM   #5
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Brazil saw a handful of self-service stations from the late 90's (I was a kid but I remember considering I learnt to read complex maps and on 2nd grade and be the "navigator" for family city trips from 4th grade :p).

However, in 2002 a populist law was passed banning non-manned pumps. The argument was that gas and diesel were "dangerous" products requiring "specialized" assistance to avoid accidents. But everybody knew it was a populist push to "save" the jobs of pump assistants. The law remain unchanged and has become a "sacred cow".

Because working laws provide a lot of additional benefits for people working in hazardous conditions, pump assistants get a fairly nice salary and benefit package (like accelerated retirement) for the ridiculous low level of skills (technical or personal) they have to take. Because they are exposed to robbery risks, they get additional payment for it. Because they work at nigh shifts and at in the open, they get yet another "hardship" additional.

As more than 90% of Brazilian gas stations are owned or co-owned by major brands, the law is respected and they make a nice salary at expense of drivers. Just another dumb law IMO. No job occupation should be inherently protected because technology, automation and cultural change render it obsolete.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 12:44 AM   #6
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In Italy in the vast majority of service stations you can choose self-service or full service: the latter can cost you up to 3 eurocent/liter more.
During closing time, almost all of them still work as self-service only.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 12:51 AM   #7
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How about no-service? I always fill up at an automated gas station, it's cheaper. It saves me around € 0.10 per liter (that's almost 10% on diesel here).
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Old August 11th, 2010, 12:53 AM   #8
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Brazil 100% full
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Old August 11th, 2010, 03:25 AM   #9
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I've known about NJ for the longest time but thought they were the only one. I can see where they are coming from as far as the law I mean I've seen people smoking while pumping gas, people are idiots! At the same time I don't really like the idea of some minimum wage person pumping my gas.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 04:31 AM   #10
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Full-service is very rare in CT. I only know of one in the area that offers it, and surprise surprise, it's the most expensive gas station in the area.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 04:58 AM   #11
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I don't know if the 'volunteer' state has that many full-service gas stations. I haven't come by any yet.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 06:49 AM   #12
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Don't think I've ever seen a full-service one in Ontario, although there is often a person on-duty in a convenience store adjacent to the station to whom you can also pay after you pump.

I used to pay by using my credit card directly at the pumps, but now I usually go to the store and pay to the guy (after pumping the gas myself) because my credit card number was once stolen, and I suspect it was at a gas station. Of course, paying to the guy doesn't really make it much safer, but there were cases of people installing scanning devices at pumps.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 07:04 AM   #13
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Don't think I've ever seen a full-service one in Ontario, although there is often a person on-duty in a convenience store adjacent to the station to whom you can also pay after you pump.

I used to pay by using my credit card directly at the pumps, but now I usually go to the store and pay to the guy (after pumping the gas myself) because my credit card number was once stolen, and I suspect it was at a gas station. Of course, paying to the guy doesn't really make it much safer, but there were cases of people installing scanning devices at pumps.
Some small towns have them... I know Wiarton has a full serve station
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Old August 11th, 2010, 07:24 AM   #14
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Don't think I've ever seen a full-service one in Ontario, although there is often a person on-duty in a convenience store adjacent to the station to whom you can also pay after you pump.

I used to pay by using my credit card directly at the pumps, but now I usually go to the store and pay to the guy (after pumping the gas myself) because my credit card number was once stolen, and I suspect it was at a gas station. Of course, paying to the guy doesn't really make it much safer, but there were cases of people installing scanning devices at pumps.
Method of payment has nothing to do with whether you pump your own gas. As far as Ontario goes, there were plenty of full service stations in the Niagara Region back in the 1980s and 1990s. I remember them because the guy working the pumps always had never seen a Delaware license plate and usually had no clue where Delaware was. One attendant in Niagara Falls asked if Delaware was in the Caribbean.

There are still some full service stations on Indian Reservations in New York. I was at one just a couple years ago. Like in Ontario, the attendant was stunned at the plate. He did a double-take and then was pretty much speechless. I might as well have had a European plate on my car with how dumbfounded he was.

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How about no-service? I always fill up at an automated gas station, it's cheaper. It saves me around 0.10 per liter (that's almost 10% on diesel here).
No service meaning no gas? If you pump it yourself, it's a self-service station.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 08:32 AM   #15
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No service meaning no gas? If you pump it yourself, it's a self-service station.
What he meant is an unmanned fuel station. There's basically only a fuel pump and a payment terminal, and nothing else. They are very common in The Netherlands, and as Chris said, it saves you up to 10 cent per liter. I use them as well as much as I can.

Full service is very uncommon in northern Europe, and you'll normally only find it in rural areas where the local fuel station owner tries to generate some extra business by adding some extra service.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 08:50 AM   #16
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Bulgaria - you are allowed to pump your own gus, but most gas stations have stuff that do it for you. The price is the same.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 09:36 AM   #17
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Hong Kong is primarily full-service. I guess owning a car is expensive so people need more luxurious treatment when at the gas station.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 10:08 AM   #18
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The only gas stations in Poland having full-service that I'm familiar with are Shell. Of course some private gas stations somewhere in the villages might have full-service as well.
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Unmanned gas stations are more common in some countries where tax laws and other regulations prevent them to use net operational losses from the operation of the pumps to offset profits of convenience stores.

Countries like Netherlands (and European countries too) also have far fewer gas stations per area or population than US, for instance, because regulations to install fuel tanks are tight, expensive to met and so. Therefore, the average gas station has also a higher turnover even if they are small in size.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 12:39 PM   #20
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No-service is best. It's very common in the Netherlands. The gas station is completely unmanned and fully automatic. You swipe your debit or credit card which activates the pump and allows you to fill up your car. It's very simple and quick and 24/7, I love it.
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