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Old August 11th, 2010, 12:49 PM   #21
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I've never seen a full-service petrol station in the UK, I doubt they exist, maybe back in the 1960s there were some.

I've also never seen a fully automated station, there is often facility to pay at pump using a card and I usually do this, but there is also the option to go to the counter which I sometimes do if I also want to pick up a drink, snack etc.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 01:20 PM   #22
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There are no full service stations in Norway. There are many fully automated ones, and I almost always use them.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 01:23 PM   #23
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Here in Oregon it's state law that requires an attendant to fill your car, however there are some exceptions, we can pump our own Diesel if the station allows it and private filling stations used for fleets allow it. Some reasons for our law are flammability of gas (the average person is not qualified in this state to dispense Class 1 flammable liquids), the risk of crime from customers leaving their car (as if we are regularly attacked at gas stations, maybe in South Africa but not here), the toxic fumes emitted by gasoline (they do make me dizzy), and the jobs created by requiring gas attendants (Oregon's minimum wage is one of the highest in the nation, and is a good wage for young people who don't want to work at McDonalds). I don't mind having someone else pump it for me,in fact I prefer it. During the winter I can stay in my warm car or walk into a warm mini-market instead of freezing while trying to fill up. It's an Oregon thing, like having no sales tax and doctor assisted suicide (you can legally kill yourself here but don't try to pump your own gas, you might kill yourself).. We even voted down a bill that would have allowed self-service years ago.
The price of gas isn't all that much higher than the national average, in fact it's about the same if not a little cheaper here in Portland than Vancouver Washington across the river where you pump your own, and cheaper than most of California.
One morning a few years ago I stopped at a station off I-5 south of Portland to fill up, while there the attendant washed my windows and asked if I wanted my oil checked, I hadn't seen that since I was a kid growing up in the 1960's.
It's funny to see people from out of state try to pump their own gas here and have attendants run up and stop them, it's like a $500 fine. And a couple of times while in other states I have zoned out and forgot that it's self-serve and sat in my car wondering when someone was going to come up and ask what I wanted, silly Oregonian.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 01:28 PM   #24
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During the winter I can stay in my warm car or walk into a warm mini-market instead of freezing while trying to fill up.
Come on, it takes less than a minute to pump a full tank. I hear that winter's harsh in Oregon, but I don't think it's THAT harsh
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Old August 11th, 2010, 01:50 PM   #25
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Come on, it takes less than a minute to pump a full tank. I hear that winter's harsh in Oregon, but I don't think it's THAT harsh
This is a point. Once I fueled by car in Wyoming, temperatures outside were -4F/-21C.

Even touching the pump's metal cage would hurt that day. The night before I'd left some food in the trunk (Gatorade, chocolates, gums (with "M" please), Pringles and so), and they were all frozen. I woke up and had to fill the tank in the gas station in front of the mote I was staying.

That day i'd have paid US$ 0,08-0,12/gal. more to have someone filling up the car, and some extra decent bucks to have someone de-ice the windows properly.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 01:53 PM   #26
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I see. But I bet gas attendants were happy not to be around and freeze their ass off on a 8-hour shift.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 02:01 PM   #27
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Come on, it takes less than a minute to pump a full tank. I hear that winter's harsh in Oregon, but I don't think it's THAT harsh
Try pumping gas with a 30 mile an hour east wind from the Columbia River Gorge (common in the winter especially on the east side of Portland) and a wind chill of 10 degrees Farenheit (about -12 Celsius or so) or with a cold soaking rain (from November to March) that's blowing sideways and you'll appreciate being able to sit in your car and be warm and dry. In Central and Eastern Oregon it's common for temperatures to fall below zero farenheit at night and stay below freezing during the day and there is plenty of snow.

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Old August 11th, 2010, 02:04 PM   #28
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In Switzerland you only have self-service or no-service. I usually prefer non-service, unless I actually want to buy something from the shop.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 02:10 PM   #29
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In Spain almost all gas stations are self-service, but there's a little number of full service stations, and we haven't any automated station
BTW, what a silly OR law. They should declare that inconstitutional.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 02:22 PM   #30
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BTW, what a silly OR law. They should declare that inconstitutional.


In the West Coast states, you don't argue something being unconstitutional. You push a ballot preposition
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Old August 11th, 2010, 02:31 PM   #31
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If its too cold to get out of the car for two minutes to fill up, surely its too cold to stay outside for 9 hours working filling up other peoples cars?

The safety argument is nonsense, millions of people fill up their cars every day without problems. It just seems to be about employing people, Oregon has pretty high unemployment I think but regulating to force the provision of uneconomic jobs isn't the solution imo.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 02:36 PM   #32
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Alot of New Jerseyans like the law , everytime they tried to repeal it gets shot down. Same with Oregon......since we are one of the cheapest states in the NE for Gas ppl form PA , NY , NYC , and DE come and fill up...
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Old August 11th, 2010, 02:56 PM   #33
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Isn't "no-service" automated stations basically the same thing as a self-service station with a credit/debit card terminal? Most of the stations down here are built so that they could be fully self service (automated) if it were not for the convenience store. I cannot remember the last time I went into the store to pay, I always pay by card. In fact, in the county I work in you cannot buy gas without paying first or using a card.

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Old August 11th, 2010, 02:58 PM   #34
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If its too cold to get out of the car for two minutes to fill up, surely its too cold to stay outside for 9 hours working filling up other peoples cars?
The attendants don't just stand around outside for 8 or 9 hours, they're only outside when there are customers, then go back into the store or their booth. Some stations have that cord you drive over setting off a bell (us old timers remember those) to let them know someone is at the pumps. And there are many other jobs that require a person to be outdoors in the cold. You just bundle up more. While there are those who probably want self-serve there are those who like having an attendant. I interact with the guy at the station I usually stop at and always thank him when leaving. If we didn't like the law we would try to change it, not vote it down. Like I said, it's an Oregon thing, something that make us unique out west like New Jersey is back east. And as far as how much time it takes to fill-up, I guess us Oregonians aren't in that much of a hurry compared to the rest of the world. We do tend to be a little more laid back IMO
And as far as the unemployment situation is here, yes it is one of the highest in the country, but that is due to mainly a decline in industries such as manufacturing, lumber and electronics. Having gas attendants helps provide more diverse job opportunities for people who would have difficulty finding jobs that require skills or experience they may not possess, or students going to school and need something temporary whether the local economy is doing good or bad.

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Old August 11th, 2010, 02:59 PM   #35
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BTW, what a silly OR law. They should declare that inconstitutional.
Why would it be unconstitutional?
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Old August 11th, 2010, 03:02 PM   #36
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99% of the gas-stations in Morocco are full-service.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 03:02 PM   #37
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Alot of New Jerseyans like the law , everytime they tried to repeal it gets shot down. Same with Oregon......since we are one of the cheapest states in the NE for Gas ppl form PA , NY , NYC , and DE come and fill up...
You'd be surprised at the vehemence with which people from outside New Jersey are arguing against full-serve at AARoads:

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3278.0

It's almost absurd. People must have time on their hands.

Having to tip? What an idea.
Also, everyone seems to think the Turnpike's the only road in the state. But that's typical....
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Old August 11th, 2010, 03:07 PM   #38
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you guys have to tip for everything over there, how much for a gas station attendant, 10%?
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Old August 11th, 2010, 03:12 PM   #39
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That's my point. Out-of-staters are complaining about having to tip, and about high prices (most of my adult life, New Jersey's had the lowest gas prices in the Northeast - last time I filled up there, it cost me 23 cents a gallon less than it would have in my neighborhood in Philadelphia, five miles away)... I grew up in New Jersey and have never heard of anyone tipping gas-station attendants. Never. (Often, at smaller stations, it's probably the owner anyway.)
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Old August 11th, 2010, 03:20 PM   #40
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In Spain almost all gas stations are self-service, but there's a little number of full service stations, and we haven't any automated station
BTW, what a silly OR law. They should declare that inconstitutional.
I have seen a little tiny gas station with 2 pumps and a TINY kiosk for the attendant. I've got a picture too, but Photobucket is blocked at work so I'll have to post later this afternoon. (Across the street from the bullfighting arena in Madrid)
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