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Old August 12th, 2010, 01:57 AM   #61
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I've read the best solution in eastern/central Europe is to avoid non-major brands, and to fill up at major gas stations only.
That's true. Traveling in Poland I always fill-up on well known petrol stations. However, if there is no problem with Polish petrol in summertime or another hotter periods of year, in winter I only get 98 octane petrol and even then burning grows up somewhat from 10 to 15 % comparing to German, Dutch or English petrol, driving in the same weather conditions.

Back to the topic. There are all sorts of service provided in Poland. But LPG gas must not be filled up by an unauthorized person to do so. Always an assistant needs to be called.

We can leave a nozzle unattended in Poland, and know there is no possibility to do so in the UK. It's probably health&safety issue there.

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Old August 12th, 2010, 01:57 AM   #62
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Oh you still have those nozzles in the US which you can leave unattended? They are forbidden in the Netherlands and probably the entire EU. It's considered too dangerous (but what isn't in this nanny-state).

You need to pull the handle all the way until your tank is full.
In Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria and Italy you can still fix the nozzle while filling up. It seems only in the Netherlands and the UK the nozzles have been modified so you can't fix them anymore (something I find really annoying!)...
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Old August 12th, 2010, 06:04 AM   #63
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Oh you still have those nozzles in the US which you can leave unattended? They are forbidden in the Netherlands and probably the entire EU. It's considered too dangerous (but what isn't in this nanny-state).

You need to pull the handle all the way until your tank is full.
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I remember those, possibly 15 years ago, even in Italy. Never found one since then...
Still have those here in several places (BC). It's a convenience thing. Some have been disabled, so that you have to squeeze the handle, while others, you can lock it into the squeezed position. The gas station I go to, I can do that, which is nice, since i can fuel my truck, while I put the cap on my Jerry can (I fuel my motorcycle at home).
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Old August 12th, 2010, 08:17 AM   #64
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Oh you still have those nozzles in the US which you can leave unattended? They are forbidden in the Netherlands and probably the entire EU. It's considered too dangerous (but what isn't in this nanny-state).

You need to pull the handle all the way until your tank is full.
I know of at least one that they have forgotten to remove in The Netherlands: When entering the town of Deventer from the A1 motorway you get a Shell Express on your right hand side. The fuel station has 4 pumps, and the nozzle of the rightmost pump can be fixed. I always choose that pump if it's free. It's a lot more convenient to fill up 80 liters with a nozzle that can be fixed than one you have to hold on to all the time. It also gives you a chance to check your lights etc while refueling.
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Old August 12th, 2010, 10:35 AM   #65
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In Hungary most of petrol stations work as self service but by all of them there are people in order to help you filling your car if you request it. This service is free but drivers usually give 1-200 forints (0.4-0.8 euros) to station employees so that they're always disappointed if I tell them I can do it myself :-)
In many gas stations the employees have very low salaries so that they need to cheat or at least do the job for you for some money. However you do it better not to let station employees to fill your car or even if you let them do it be very careful since if you don't watch them they will fill some cans as well - and you will pay for that petrol...
All the nozzles can be fixed and leave unattended in Hungarian petrol stations, I usually wash the front window of my car while filling the tank.
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Old August 12th, 2010, 10:44 AM   #66
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Ooooooh, seems I was illegal in OR then. But this explains the surprise of the gal who put the nozzle in my tank when she came back after running away having seen I've already put the nozzle back to its place...

However, the pumps in Crater Lake NP were self-service. Is this allowed because it's on federally managed land?
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Old August 12th, 2010, 11:24 AM   #67
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All the nozzles can be fixed and leave unattended in Hungarian petrol stations, I usually wash the front window of my car while filling the tank.
i do exactly the same

btw, how they fill truck tanks if they have to hold it whole time?! it lasts quite long to fill tank of 500 litres!
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Old August 12th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #68
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I believe those can be left unattended. However, truck pumps can usually pump at a much faster rate of ~130 liter per minute.
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Old August 12th, 2010, 12:57 PM   #69
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I believe those can be left unattended. However, truck pumps can usually pump at a much faster rate of ~130 liter per minute.
Once I was driving a holiday in Italy and there were quite huge lines in the gas station. I went to the truck pumps on the other site, quite hidden, and managed to fill the tank there. Theoretically it is not allowed, but I asked the guard gently, the pumps were idle (trucks not allowed on motorways that day, the ban period was about to start in 15 minutes, so pumps were on but empty) and he let me in.

I never filled my gas tank so fast. It took like less than 40 seconds for more than 30 liters.
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Old August 12th, 2010, 02:54 PM   #70
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In Estonia it is allowed to tank at the truck pumps but since the "truck pistol" is larger in diameter, a lot of cars just can't be filled up there.

About self-serve or full: In Estonia there aren't any full service stations, at least I haven't seen any in at least a decade. The usage of self-serve vs. fully automated is around 50%, I guess. Fuel price is € 0.016 cheaper in fully automated ones so not by much.

BTW, pumps in Estonia can also be left unattended so there's no EU regulation.

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Old August 12th, 2010, 03:06 PM   #71
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Oh you still have those nozzles in the US which you can leave unattended? They are forbidden in the Netherlands and probably the entire EU. It's considered too dangerous (but what isn't in this nanny-state).

You need to pull the handle all the way until your tank is full.
...If you fill your tank. My dad only does that as we're starting a road trip; otherwise he never lets it get more than half a tank. It's about a 30-gallon tank, so filling up will cost a lot more than putting in $10 or $20 worth of gas only when necessary.
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i do exactly the same

btw, how they fill truck tanks if they have to hold it whole time?! it lasts quite long to fill tank of 500 litres!
The nozzles for lorries are about twice the diameter of one for cars and light trucks. They also pump at a much faster rate. If you really, really know what you're doing, you can use a truck pump to fuel your car. Mind you, most truck pumps are a "commercial cardlock" setup, which requires a special (company) credit card.
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Oh you still have those nozzles in the US which you can leave unattended? They are forbidden in the Netherlands and probably the entire EU. It's considered too dangerous (but what isn't in this nanny-state).

You need to pull the handle all the way until your tank is full.
If you drive around a lot in the USA you will find a myriad of stations that have them and some that don't. It varies from state to state and county to county on the legality of them.

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Old August 12th, 2010, 07:13 PM   #74
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In Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria and Italy you can still fix the nozzle while filling up. ...
Yeah, when it's working so annoying to keep the nozzle manually...
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Old August 12th, 2010, 07:25 PM   #75
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Old August 12th, 2010, 07:36 PM   #76
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Don'tcha love technology? It's quite handy to be able to just leave your tank as it fills, and then it'll automatically quit when the tank is full, it won't overfill unless you try to put extra gas in (which I haven't done or seen anyone else do, but I gather it's a no-no)
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it only takes two minutes to fill a tank!
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Old August 12th, 2010, 09:19 PM   #78
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it only takes two minutes to fill a tank!
...during which time you can clean your windshield, check your oil, etc.
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2 minutes can be a long time.

For example; start counting slowly to 120 right now.
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...during which time you can clean your windshield, check your oil, etc.
Or simply stand still, breathe slowly amd take two minutes out to enjoy the beauty of your surroundings.

And then replace the pump
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