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Old March 9th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #641
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VTrain : Southern Cross Station to Lara - Victoria, Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J_ns...ature=youtu.be

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Old March 9th, 2013, 01:14 PM   #642
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VTrain Lara to Melbourne Southern Cross Station

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Old March 10th, 2013, 12:24 PM   #643
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Good stuff in the last two postings, but you were mainly looking out the wrong side of the train!

I make this trip often (to Geelong).

What I've noted lately:
  • Installation of Elders or Lara loop (just beyond Lara)
  • relocation of ARTC line at Manor loop (you don't see the ARTC line at all in your video)
  • beginnings of RRL work at Bulban Road
  • Willaims Landing/Palmers Road works (briefly visible in your first video)
  • Altona Station works (completed before you took the video)
  • SCT & SCT siding upgrades ...
  • one also notices a striking amount of traffic, if you look across the tracks, i.e., northwards on the outbound trip, & southwards (with any eye to the north) on the return trip.

Among some things you might have filmed (I assume you ran out of battery):
  • "The Overland", from Adelaide, running parellel to you, and in the same direction, if you picked the right trip home.
  • Various freight trains, mashalling/ running, on the north side of the line.
  • In the evening peak, from Geelong: I count what comes from Melbourne. Usually 8 V/Line services, plus an equivalent no. of Metro services.
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Old March 10th, 2013, 02:22 PM   #644
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Have they ever had plans to electrify some of these regional lines? Like geelong? Ballarat, bendigo?
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Old March 10th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #645
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Have they ever had plans to electrify some of these regional lines? Like geelong? Ballarat, bendigo?
You'd better ask Dennis Napthine, the newly-installed Premier about that (We didn't elect him).

I'd imagine that the next electrification would be to Melton ( on the Ballarat Line), but, at the moment, we're seriously constraining about Budget: so forget about it till a change of Government.

Likewise, some Melbourne projects would be appreciated: "South Morang" to :"South Morang", for instance (the current "South Morang" is actually "Mill Park". And from the real "South Morang" to "Mernda": we're not actually building a new railway here: we're restoring one: to Whittlesea, which is outer suburbs now, and needs its railway put back.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 11:45 AM   #646
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Couple of good videos here of country passenger services








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Old March 11th, 2013, 12:48 PM   #647
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V/line (Victoria)


QR Traveltrain (Queensland)


Transwa (Western Australia)


I can't find any government videos for other states.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 01:18 PM   #648
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Old March 12th, 2013, 09:18 PM   #649
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I find Australian railways really interesting.

They are kind of like the ones in North America, but also quite different in some ways. There's such a variety of locomotives too. And different gauges too. In this part of the world I can think of maybe 1 or 2 non-tourist narrow gauge operations.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 02:16 AM   #650
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I find Australian railways really interesting.

They are kind of like the ones in North America, but also quite different in some ways. There's such a variety of locomotives too. And different gauges too. In this part of the world I can think of maybe 1 or 2 non-tourist narrow gauge operations.
The whole of Queensland and most of the Perth area run narrow guage
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Old March 13th, 2013, 08:35 AM   #651
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The freight network and different gauge types are outlined on this map. As you can see the railways are very much state orientated with each system feeding into the capital cities.


http://www.frog.org.au/images/inform...NetworkMap.jpg

NSW and NT are standard gauge, QLD is predominantly narrow gauge, VIC is predominantly Broad Gauge, SA has a mixture of all 3 gauges, WA has both standard and narrow gauge and TAS is all narrow gauge. It's pretty crazy but that's just how it is unfortunately.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 11:21 AM   #652
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I find Australian railways really interesting.

They are kind of like the ones in North America, but also quite different in some ways. There's such a variety of locomotives too. And different gauges too. In this part of the world I can think of maybe 1 or 2 non-tourist narrow gauge operations.
Australian states act a lot more like different countries than American states do. Probably because of the vast distances and unification (or federation as we call it) only happened in 1901, creating the nation of Australia.

Passangers travelling between Melbourne and Sydney used to have to change trains at the border because of the gauges.
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Old April 13th, 2013, 09:33 AM   #653
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Australian high speed rail study published
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/p...published.html

just build it already, you guys are filthy rich
if hungary can spend a billion euros of chinese cash on a useless freight line for 70 trains / direction / day by 2040, you can certainly do this
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Australian high speed rail study published
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just build it already, you guys are filthy rich
if hungary can spend a billion euros of chinese cash on a useless freight line for 70 trains / direction / day by 2040, you can certainly do this
We have a bit of an American mentality on the issue though, unfortunately.
Although for $114 bill, I think it might actually happen
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So no HSR to Adelaide?
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So no HSR to Adelaide?
Even as drawn this is probably too ambitious... Anyone familiar with Australian geography will tell you that Brisbane and Melbourne is way beyond normal HSR teritory (7 h minimum). This is not China were everything is crowded and cars are still not that common and air market is underdeveloped. I would concentrate first on just Sydney-Melbourne. If that could be built with travel times of 3 1/2 h then comercial success is likely.
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As much as I like trains, I must admit that would be a huge waste of money. Trains are superior to airplanes because the latter can only travel between very specific spots located close to big cities, and so for whoever lives far from those airports, that's a slow way of travelling. Trains connect all those intermediate cities as well as the big ones, and that's where most of the ridership comes from.

Now, Australia is basically made out of big cities with their airports with very very little in between, there's absolutely no need to lay an expensive railway track between Melbourne and Sydney to connect these two cities since they have airports and except for Canberra (which also has its own airport) there's basically nothing in between.

Given the distances, I would say it could be worth to connect Canberra, Sydney and eventually Newcastle with a faster railway line (but not HSR either) as well as Brisbane and Gold Coast. But that's it. But honestly, I wouldn't build that either, given the suburban nature of australian cities the railway loses its advantage of being in the city centre and therefore close to most population either by distance or by having an efficient public transport network to quickly connect with that railway station and home - everyone still needs to have a car to move around, and once you have it you use it. That railway would basically be used by people going to and from the CBD to business trips between Canberra and Sydney for example.
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You raise some valid points, but the HSR trip between Melbourne and Sydney could still be quite a bit faster than flying plus business passengers is exactly what airplanes/HSR is chasing.
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Even as drawn this is probably too ambitious... Anyone familiar with Australian geography will tell you that Brisbane and Melbourne is way beyond normal HSR teritory (7 h minimum). This is not China were everything is crowded and cars are still not that common and air market is underdeveloped. I would concentrate first on just Sydney-Melbourne. If that could be built with travel times of 3 1/2 h then comercial success is likely.
Sydney-MElboune higher priority than Sydney-Queensland?
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Sydney-MElboune higher priority than Sydney-Queensland?
Wouldn't the former serve quite a bit more people? It's marginally closer as well and the route passes close to the federal capital.
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