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Old April 13th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #661
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You raise some valid points, but the HSR trip between Melbourne and Sydney could still be quite a bit faster than flying plus business passengers is exactly what airplanes/HSR is chasing.
Also it has the potential to be built in two phases, Sydney-Canberra, and Canberra-Melbourne, with the first phase being independently viable. This would make it easy to spread costs, and make the whole project more robust over all.

The QLD link, even though longer, I think would have viability, as it would capture a lot of regional markets. Though the end to end time maybe at the edge of vaibility, there are a lot of smaller cities such as Newcastle, Port Maquarie, Coff's Harbour and Gold Coast all en-route, which would generate additional traffic to/from Brissie and Sydney, as well as between each other, especially since airfares from the regional towns are far less competitive than the point-to-point fares for SYD-BNE.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 02:32 PM   #662
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Now, Australia is basically made out of big cities with their airports with very very little in between, there's absolutely no need to lay an expensive railway track between Melbourne and Sydney to connect these two cities since they have airports and except for Canberra (which also has its own airport) there's basically nothing in between.
It doesn't have to stay that way. I think that the Melbourne - Sydney HSL should be promoted as a way to develop a corridor between those two cities (including Canberra and Albury/Wodonga). On of the things I found odd about Australia is how land and housing seems to be as expensive there as here in dense Switzerland... Time Australia started to actually use all that empty space for something more than just grazing sheep...

However, that does indicated that the first phase should maybe be Newcastle - Sydney (with a new north-south crossing of the harbor and the CBD) - Canberra, with an emphasis on bringing as much of that corridor within commuting distance of Sydney. Similarly rond Melbourne one could start with Geelong - Melbourne - Albury. In a second phase both corridors could be linked.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 03:35 PM   #663
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It doesn't have to stay that way. I think that the Melbourne - Sydney HSL should be promoted as a way to develop a corridor between those two cities (including Canberra and Albury/Wodonga). On of the things I found odd about Australia is how land and housing seems to be as expensive there as here in dense Switzerland... Time Australia started to actually use all that empty space for something more than just grazing sheep...

However, that does indicated that the first phase should maybe be Newcastle - Sydney (with a new north-south crossing of the harbor and the CBD) - Canberra, with an emphasis on bringing as much of that corridor within commuting distance of Sydney. Similarly rond Melbourne one could start with Geelong - Melbourne - Albury. In a second phase both corridors could be linked.
Newcastle - Sydney already has good service and is heavily built up. If you wanted to open up new land, then the best first alignment would be Sydney-Canberra, either via Wollongong or Campbeltown - both routes have a lot of potential for future development and very good ridership.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 01:16 PM   #664
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Newcastle - Sydney already has good service and is heavily built up.
I've done Newcastle - Sydney. I wouldn't call it particularly good... (But maybe I'm too spoiled when it comes to rail service.)
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Old April 16th, 2013, 09:22 PM   #665
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I've done Newcastle - Sydney. I wouldn't call it particularly good... (But maybe I'm too spoiled when it comes to rail service.)
I agree it's not great by world standards

What I meant was that it has fairly frequent (hourly or better for the most part) electrified services which have led to the corridor being heavily developed compared to the Canberra-Sydney corridor which currently has 2-3 trains per day(!) diesel service, and is mostly undeveloped beyond the end of the existing CityRail network.

Newcastle really could use HSR service as second phase, but I think Canberra-Sydney would be a bigger transformation that would also service a large population (in Canberra) which is for all intents and purposes, currently off the rail map entirely.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 06:03 AM   #666
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How is infrastrcuture ownership organized in Australia? Can newcomers set up new rail services if they want?
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Old April 17th, 2013, 10:30 AM   #667
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I imagine so, as long as they get all the environmental and government clearances. Brisbane's enormous new motorway tunnels were all privately funded.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #668
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Depends which state in western australia the legislation prohibits anyone but the government owned public transport authority running public transport in the city. They do allow private companies to run it on their behalf though
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Old April 17th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #669
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But what about, say, some company wanting to operate (without any subsidies) some train from Perth to Canberra?
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Old April 18th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #670
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Thats different because it is regional, not in the city. Most suburban lines in the city are owned by the govt and are not open to private operators. But one line is open to private operators
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Old April 20th, 2013, 10:26 AM   #671
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I am big fan of railways and i always prefer this for journey, Australian railways are one of the best way to journey in Australia. The Australian railways looks also really nice. It is the best way to see Australian city and experience in great way.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 02:19 PM   #672
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But what about, say, some company wanting to operate (without any subsidies) some train from Perth to Canberra?
I'm sure somebody would if there was money to be made. (There isn't.)
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Old May 17th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #673
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Any news on the rail projects around Brisbane?

Is the cross-river rail link still in the works, and is there still a link to Maroochydore and Coolangatta being built?
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Old May 26th, 2013, 02:03 PM   #674
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CityRail Trip : Milsons Point - Wynyard

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CityRail Trip : Parramatta - Stratfield

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CityRail Trip : Stratfield - Central

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Train departing - Southern Cross Station, Melbourne

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Melbourne Train Trip - Pakenham Line

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Old May 27th, 2013, 04:29 AM   #675
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Any news on the rail projects around Brisbane?

Is the cross-river rail link still in the works, and is there still a link to Maroochydore and Coolangatta being built?
Cross River Rail has been denied funding by the Commonwealth (either party, though I think Labor said they'd give $700 million), iirc.
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Old May 27th, 2013, 08:19 AM   #676
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Any news on the rail projects around Brisbane?

Is the cross-river rail link still in the works, and is there still a link to Maroochydore and Coolangatta being built?
Maroochydore and Coolangatta are off in the never-never (post 2031).

Don't bank on anything new being built beyond what is already under construction this side of 2020+.
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Old May 28th, 2013, 04:16 PM   #677
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CityRail: Blue Mountain Line Intercity Train

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Old May 29th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #678
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Maroochydore and Coolangatta are off in the never-never (post 2031).

Don't bank on anything new being built beyond what is already under construction this side of 2020+.
This is ridiculous, given that financing costs are so low at the moment, and the federal government is in a very good position to borrow. Now would be a good time to invest in capital intensive projects.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 02:56 AM   #679
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This is ridiculous, given that financing costs are so low at the moment, and the federal government is in a very good position to borrow. Now would be a good time to invest in capital intensive projects.
Federal Governments (unfortunately) largely haven't funded much public transport.

The opposition leader has made it quite clear a government led by him certainly will not.
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Old July 4th, 2013, 09:46 AM   #680
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Train arriving at Wynyard Station

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