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Old August 14th, 2010, 11:54 PM   #1
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Dublin becoming very run down?

Anybody noticed that Dublin is becoming very run down. For example a hell of a lot of boarded up shops, buildings, apartments, un-repaired footpaths, litter etc.

Also the gap between rich and poor is amazing. You have these shinny glass apartment blocks and then right behind them have rundown social housing. Pretty shocking....

Also noticed a hell alot of drunks, beggars and tramps, especially at Lucas stops. At Heuston the other day I counted about 10 drunks sleeping on the Lucas benches.

I also believe all but one homeless shelter in Dublin is set to close....
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Old August 15th, 2010, 12:04 AM   #2
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You are aware of the current economic situation aren't you?

Shops, restaurants and clubs are constantly closing down and businesses continue to go bankrupt.

Not just in Ireland mind you.
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Old August 15th, 2010, 12:06 AM   #3
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I accept that. But nothing in Belfast compares.

Never seen a many homelessnesses, drunks, druggies etc. Seems worse than London too?
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Old August 15th, 2010, 12:09 AM   #4
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I don't think so particularly. It's the same as any other city. There has always been rich and poor areas and always will be. It depends on where you are in the city, also variables like the weather and time of the week very often have an effect on the perception of a certain area that is underestimated. Also boarded up shops are part of the economic cycle - not that I have noticed many in Dublin I have to say. Have you any area in mind?

You must be hanging out in dodgy places :p
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Old August 15th, 2010, 12:18 AM   #5
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I'm talking about around Jervis, Smithfield, Four Courts etc. Some areas around on Quays - beside Clarence hotel etc.

Also Dublin 8, Thomas Street (Guinness) , St James Hospital etc

If I had my way I would demolish everything from the Jervis shopping centre to Smithfield. Absolute dumb...
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Well Belfast is smaller and so it won't have a problem with homelessness to the same extend as other larger cities. Ireland also has incredible wealth inequality and that situation is becoming rather severe in certain sections as a result of slower economic growth.

I wouldn't say it's worse than London, London most certainly has its fair share of severe socio-economic disadvantage.
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Old August 15th, 2010, 12:20 AM   #7
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I would also let Guinness sell the dump that is Dublin 8 and all those council flats.

They could build another Drumdrum town centre there. Would be mega.
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Old August 15th, 2010, 12:24 AM   #8
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I'm talking about around Jervis, Smithfield, Four Courts etc. Some areas around on Quays - beside Clarence hotel etc.

Also Dublin 8, Thomas Street (Guinness) , St James Hospital etc

If I had my way I would demolish everything from the Jervis shopping centre to Smithfield. Absolute dumb...


Those areas have always been like that. There is nothing new in what your saying and I agree. But they were like that for decades. And some urban renewal has actually taken place in those areas - if anything they use to be worse then they are now. Personally I simply would not go to those areas anyway (except if I had to pass through) but there is whole swathes of the city far removed from the unfortunate situation in the areas you mention aswell.

Also as mentioned above there has of course been an increase in homelessness. This is not a socialist country and it's sad to see but things will improve once the recovery filters down. It is important to remember there are bigger more important issues for these areas then shiney footpaths.
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Old August 15th, 2010, 12:24 AM   #9
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Yeah the North side does get a bit of a reputation. I much prefer the South side.

But those areas are a disgrace. And tourists can easily bump into them. You'd think with the Luas line running through them more development would have happened

Also Smithfield is pretty mad. You have shiny apartments blocks right ontop of the roughest and poorest social housing in Ireland perhaps? Who would ever want to live there?
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Don’t get me wrong. I love Dublin. I think it’s one of the top cities in Europe. I’ll admit one thing though. I feel safer in Belfast than Dublin. Noticed at night they now have security on the Luas. Is this a new thing? I have never noticed it before.

I just think it’s a shame some areas of the city centre have suffered at the expense of others. Areas which are just a stones throw away from the city centre. You have to admit Abbey Street is a absolute dump. Most of those buildings are ready to be demolished.

Sometimes you wonder if the recession hadn’t of hit what some area would look like now. Would lower O’Connell Street be transformed? Would the Smithfield development expanded? Would there be thousand of apartment’s blocks and shopping centres on the Guinness factory?

I accept Ireland isn’t a socialist country. A lot less socialist than the UK. But surely things should be done to take these drunks and druggies of the streets. It's not a good image when you have countless drunks and druggies sleeping around, especially at the main stations like Houston.

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Old August 15th, 2010, 12:44 AM   #11
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Donít get me wrong. I love Dublin. I think itís one of the top cities in Europe. Iíll admit one thing though. I feel safer in Belfast than Dublin.

I just think itís a shame some areas of the city centre have suffered as the expense of others. Areas which are just a stones throw away from the city centre.

Sometimes you wonder if the recession hadnít of hit what some area would look like now. Would lower OíConnell Street be transformed? Would the Smithfield development expanded? Would there be thousand of apartmentís blocks and shopping centres on the Guinness factory?

I accept Ireland isnít a socialist country. A lot less socialist than the UK. But surely things should be done to take these drunks, druggies of the streets. It's not a good imagine when you have countless drunks and druggies sleeping around, especially at the main stations like Houston.
No it's not nice. But there is nothing that can really be done as a quick fix. Would you like them all rounded up?
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Old August 15th, 2010, 12:55 PM   #12
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I accept that. But nothing in Belfast compares.

Never seen a many homelessnesses, drunks, druggies etc. Seems worse than London too?
I agree I have noticed an upsurge in junkies in recent times.
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Old August 15th, 2010, 01:01 PM   #13
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Yeah the North side does get a bit of a reputation. I much prefer the South side.

But those areas are a disgrace. And tourists can easily bump into them. You'd think with the Luas line running through them more development would have happened

Also Smithfield is pretty mad. You have shiny apartments blocks right ontop of the roughest and poorest social housing in Ireland perhaps? Who would ever want to live there?
You are spot on regarding Smithfield. Despite the boom there was never the required volume of redevelopment to bring that area up to standard. Its noticable that as you travel on the Luas between Heuston and Jervis the sheer ammount of dereliction is shocking. Its redolent of the way the city looked in the 1980s, with crumbling buildings, empthy sites and boarded up shopfronts. The only reprive is the Four Courts (which are not exactly in great repair) and the handfull of larger developments around Smithfield Square.

When you think of it, if that area with its excellent transport services didn't attract any investment during the boom, then it doesn't stand a hope now!
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Old August 15th, 2010, 01:48 PM   #14
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Dublin's never exactly been the jewel in the crown in terms of its dedication to cultural/architectural heritage or aesthetics, but it has definitely disimproved over the last few years. Recession and all, it's still one of the wealthiest regions in the whole of Europe, and you really wouldn't believe it after a visit to the place...

The truth is people in Ireland (including dubs) simply don't care about their capital. There's absolutely no sense of pride or belief that it should act as a showcase/symbol of the nation. It's simply left to rot and decay, and our useless justice system continues to tolerate junkies and vagrants prowelling the streets. How anyone entitled to free housing, overly generous dole and free drugs has the nerve to beg for money on the side of the street is beyond me. I know some people are genuine, but truth be told the majority of scumbags in Dublin are on Ä200 a week minimum, plus all the usual entitlements and free drugs. It's disgraceful that their behaviour is tolerated and quite simply, yes, knackbags hanging around on the streets should be rounded up for being a public nuisance. Their behaviour wouldn't be tolerated in Germany for example!!!

As for appearances, apart from any modicum of interest, much of Dublin's problems come from no requirements set down by the council. Basically, the city council is a waste of space. Other cities put in place standards for business owners in terms of care for their premises and the area immediately surrounding them, and this is something that is completely lacking in Dublin. Also, the continued allowance of cars to plough through a medieval streetscape will result in the ultimate ruin of the city. The city simply can't take the number of cars and buses that enter it every day, and something seriously needs to be done before it's literally choked to death.
A city that lets four junctions lead on to a two lane junction, which travels through a nine hundred year old cathederal is most likely unique to my mind, and in one example epitomisies all that is wrong with Dublin; along with the tarmac carpark adjacent to the remains of an 800year old castle. It is quite simply disgraceful, and says as much about the citizens of Dublin as it does about the city council.

The city needs some serious public investment, akin to that seen in Berlin over the last 20years. Of course this will never happen as our political system dictates that rural Ireland is overly subsidised at the expense of the mid-east. The thing is while any such public investment would be derided as a waste of tax payers money, it would infacr reinvigorate the economy of a city with huge potential.

Anyway, rant over. I love coming home to my mum's house by the sea, the beautiful scenery, nice coatal villages, friendly people in the suburbs and general ease of life away from the city-centre. Also, love the generally liberal/progressive attitude that prevails in Dublin compared to the rest of Ireland. I love the place and want to live there, but the city centre is a bit of a disaster zone in many respects. Although, it does have a buzz and nightlife unmatched by many cities. It just really needs some TLC, a whole lotta investment in public transport and a major scrub-up. Oh, and the zero-tolerance Gardai we were promised by Bertie over a decade ago.
Until then people will continue to flock to the sea, mountains and Dundrum for recreation instead of Dublin city centre.

Rant over...
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Oh, and Plank all those areas have always been complete dumps!!! With the exception of O'Connell street, the north inner city is basically a ghetto. It's basically like the southern side of the thames or west side of the river in Glasgow, but with a big historic boulevard running through it!!!
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I have just returned from a short stay in Dublin and I loved it from the start. Also Been wandering around north of the river Liffey and I really don't think it's that bad. I don't consider the junkies and drunks hanging around in the city-centre such a big problem.
They're part of the city as are abandoned and run down buildings.
I simply find Dublin a very beautiful, very lively and a very 'honest' city and I definitely will come back next year for a longer stay
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Dublin has become very rundown lately, but even in the boom time it was'nt exactly the brightest or cleanest. I have to say the south inner city(Dublin 2) is lovely. Stephens green and Merrion square in particular. Wish the same could be said about north inner city, its very run down and dirty looking.
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You have to realise those areas are well maintained because of the population that live, shop and work there. Simple reality that areas with a high proportion of socio-economic advantage will look better.
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The new lottery ad has some good imagery near the CCD.





Let's not leave out Plank's friends from Smithfield

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You have to realise those areas are well maintained because of the population that live, shop and work there. Simple reality that areas with a high proportion of socio-economic advantage will look better.
Yea i understand, but hopefully the northside can be cleaned up a bit because we do get a lot of tourists around Dublin 1.
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