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Old May 15th, 2012, 09:25 PM   #1981
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There's something I don't understand. The 3 core columns in the pic are right next to unexcavated land, so where will the perimeter columns and the rest of the space be?

Btw, Willis is a tube bundle of 9 22,5 meter x 22,5 meter tubes so the top section of Willis is 22,5 meter x 45 meter
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Old May 15th, 2012, 09:28 PM   #1982
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Ahh..found it.

432park = 93x93'
Sears Willis (comprised of 9 75' squares from base, to 2 75' squares to roof) = 75x150' (= 2 of those 75' squares)
1WTC = 200x200'

This being said... I really don't think this will be that thin at all and will have a similar beefy impact to the skyline.. It's about half the dimensions of 1WTC at it's base (anyone know 1WTC's dimension on the roof???) and close to the sq-footage of Willis'/Sears upper-section.. (432park/8,649 vs. Sears/11,250).
1WTC roof dimensions are 141 feet x 141 feet according to the Pythagoras equation
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Old May 15th, 2012, 09:32 PM   #1983
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Those floor plans are pretty good, I think the design is here to stay.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #1984
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There's something I don't understand. The 3 core columns in the pic are right next to unexcavated land, so where will the perimeter columns and the rest of the space be?
I reread your question:
Those are not core columns..they are the perimeter columns for the west side of the tower...the core will eventually emerge from area where yellow crane is now.

As I mentioned above...they are forming the left (if you look closely already four maybe five being formed) and right side columns first (watch for the right side column forms going in tomorrow or the next day..you can already see rebar protruding from the native bedrock)...they will form the rear (north) columns as soon those retaining walls are complete and footings for the retail building on 57 street are in place...then they can withdrawn equipment from the north section (retail foundation) to finish excavating for the remaining tower footings...it is a question of access...what they are doing is very logical...but also shows a sense urgency about progress...they will use the ramp as long as possible as this allows faster access for excavating and materials delivery...they are wasting no time..show is on the road!!

One of things that makes this site so cool is that the tower is flanked on the east and west by walls of solid rock...

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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #1985
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Thank you for your explanation

And I also thank Dino for drawing it on the pics
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #1986
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Given the height of this building, doesn't it need a deeper foundation?

I think its only 2 or 3 grades below ground level.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:18 PM   #1987
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It's all bedrock there. I don't think the depth of the hole depends on anything different than the number of cars it will be for
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:20 PM   #1988
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How long before steel/concrete reaches ground level? Also, has the City Building/Planning Commission already signed off on this tower's height of 1398 feet? Just wondering if they have given their approval, since in the past I know they voted to reduce the height of another tower..
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You can see that they have embedded steel into the rock, once this is cast in concrete you basically have a foundation a mile deep!

In terms of time...as long as there are no delays and they keep moving at this pace...I think you will steel poking above the fence by the end of August...
not all the site by any means...but certainly some of the columns.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:51 PM   #1990
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How long before steel/concrete reaches ground level? Also, has the City Building/Planning Commission already signed off on this tower's height of 1398 feet? Just wondering if they have given their approval, since in the past I know they voted to reduce the height of another tower..
This doesn't need approval from anyone. It's good to go.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:42 AM   #1991
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You can see that they have embedded steel into the rock, once this is cast in concrete you basically have a foundation a mile deep!

In terms of time...as long as there are no delays and they keep moving at this pace...I think you will steel poking above the fence by the end of August...
not all the site by any means...but certainly some of the columns.
You seems like a guy of knowledge..Any relations with construction work or civil engineering?
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:00 AM   #1992
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What to belive? here it says 1398 feet tall = 426 meters and 82 floors.

On the "scp" it says 1,420 FT / 432 M | 89 FLOORS. Which is the right number New Yorkers.

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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:07 AM   #1993
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This was alluded to over on skyscraper page too, just wondering if anyone here has any more info on it.....In one of the renderings the tower has what looks like open spaces every fifteen floors or so, giving the illusion of 6 separate towers stacked on each other. I am wondering if those are actually in the plans, and if so, are they actually real open spaces in those segments, or just the illusion of them?
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:31 AM   #1994
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Wow, 1420'?? Just 30' from the Sears' height.

If built, this will show all architects, developers, the entire city, that it's okay to build highr than the 1WTC and will push and influence so many future projects into this height and beyoond!
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:43 AM   #1995
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The correct number is 426 meters.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:45 AM   #1996
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The correct number is 426 meters.
The scp has it all wrong then?
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:59 AM   #1997
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Actually, what you called "Column 2" in the floor plan is the first column (on the corner).

PD. So, what is the final height-width ratio of this skyscraper? 15:1?

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Old May 16th, 2012, 04:11 AM   #1998
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The scp has it all wrong then?
I am not positive, but I am pretty sure they showed designs of the building a few pages back that said it was 426 meters
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Old May 16th, 2012, 09:21 AM   #1999
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....nothing interesting here....
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It's curious how the excavator has to help the trucks to going up the ramp, maybe it's becouse of the rains
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