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Old June 6th, 2012, 05:57 AM   #2361
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I'm going to make the comparison again yea yea yea but I don't see how this building is any worse than one of the twin towers, the facade could also be much better.

Plus the rendering doesn't even make it look that skinny. From the side angles it will look wider aswell, than head on.

there's nothing really wrong with boxes, and as a height fan I'm glad NYC is getting this building.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 07:05 AM   #2362
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Pretty polarizing. For some of y'all serial posters, one post with your opinion is enough IMO. That said, here's mine. It is no doubt an obnoxious and out of context building. And for that, I love it. This is ny. The home of the obnoxious building. Have you forgotten? Ny has been an urban experiment for a long time. And let's face it; boxes are profitable and practical, despite some of your sexy curvaceous socialist building fantasies.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:12 AM   #2363
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I'm sure the engineers that designed this thing know what they are doing, but it doesn't look like it would take much to knock it down. I sure wouldn't want to live there. It looks like something a kid would build with their building set...build it as high as you can until it tips over. And comparing this to the original WTC is laughable...about 6 of these would fit into each twin tower.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:17 AM   #2364
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Whoever had the sheer audacity to state that this beauty would ruin NY's skyline is barking up the wrong tree! Hardly! This tower will just accentuate the contrasts that make NY's eclectic skyline so interesting. I suppose people don't appreciate the sheer quiet minimalist power that this tower conveys. I can see a zen-like quality in this tower, and although simple, it has a strong quiet presence that I feel will endure as the years flow by in comparison to a more flashy tower that might become dated far sooner. A building that may be best appreciated as an element of a skyline, rather than a single object, that will bring a sublime vertical thrust of energy to a rather stagnant midtown plateau.

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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:17 AM   #2365
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NYC gets a 1400 foot building and people still manage to complain somehow, I don't care what people on some blog think, I personally think the building will turn out better than the renderings, they usually do.
Don't you get it ? The 1400 ft figure is blinding your judgement. They are complaining because the design is so far past ugly that their aren't words to explain it. A 5 year old could have made this design. Everyone knows that the design is the most simple and boring design ever, the architect could have redeemed himself with a great facade, but of course he picks the most boring facade humanly possible, and the massive windows....

This might just destroy the midtown skyline
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:25 AM   #2366
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Don't you get it ? The 1400 ft figure is blinding your judgement. They are complaining because the design is so far past ugly that their aren't words to explain it. A 5 year old could have made this design. Everyone knows that the design is the most simple and boring design ever, the architect could have redeemed himself with a great facade, but of course he picks the most boring facade humanly possible, and the massive windows....

This might just destroy the midtown skyline
The 1400 figure is part of the design. Some people like tall minimalist towers. As I said, you don't appreciate the magic that a minimalist tower provides. Just because it isn't some flashy tower with a sexy design, does not make it a boring design. There is great power in such buildings that takes time to appreciate IMO. Again, most design is simple. The audacious designs in terms of geometry are few and far between. At least this has an inner quiet power that I find rather beautiful.

And no, it won't ruin the skyline. That is pure hyperbole. It is surrounded by far uglier and plainer towers with some atrocious facades. This will take your eye away from a cluster of dull boxes and pomo drek in east mtown and make the skyline far more energetic looking. You talk as if NYC was some kind of vertical Paris, with prestine beauty everywhere that one dare not sully. No, in fact, midtown is full of contrasts, and has plenty of 60/70s buildings that couldn't hold a candle to this design, no matter what the height. So, no, you may not like the tower, but to say it could destroy the skyline is silly IMO as the smaller scale skyline today has plenty of eyesores today. This at least will direct the eye up and away from them.

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Old June 6th, 2012, 09:12 AM   #2367
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The 1400 figure is part of the design. Some people like tall minimalist towers.
Yes, I'm one of those people

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But both were very imposing. which it's not the park 432's case.
I'm pretty sure a 1400 foot tall, 100 foot wide box will be imposing, I wouldn't worry about that.

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A 5 year old could design many of the skyscrapers out there today, they're just shapes.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 01:45 PM   #2368
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the new renders look even nicer than the previous ones. i like it a lot
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Old June 6th, 2012, 01:54 PM   #2369
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This building is very similar to the Twin Towers and it certainly is imposing. Many people portray it as super thin, but in fact it is half as wide as the Twin Towers were and has a very similar facade, with the only exceptions that squares have replaced lines. NYC needs a brutalist king because it has just as many brutalist boxes as it does have art deco buildings. To me this building is the second ESB because just as ESB is the king of NYC art deco, this is the king of NYC brutalist architecture

It is simple, but in this simplicity it is a masterpiece and by far my favorite building in the city. It fits into NYC and it will create a beautiful contrast when compared to the ESB. For me, this is midtown's new king
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Old June 6th, 2012, 02:20 PM   #2370
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I love this building! Can't wait to see it done.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 03:34 PM   #2371
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Whoever had the sheer audacity to state that this beauty would ruin NY's skyline is barking up the wrong tree! Hardly! This tower will just accentuate the contrasts that make NY's eclectic skyline so interesting. I suppose people don't appreciate the sheer quiet minimalist power that this tower conveys. I can see a zen-like quality in this tower, and although simple, it has a strong quiet presence that I feel will endure as the years flow by in comparison to a more flashy tower that might become dated far sooner. A building that may be best appreciated as an element of a skyline, rather than a single object, that will bring a sublime vertical thrust of energy to a rather stagnant midtown plateau.
Yeah, NYC has so many different styles. And it's those styles that make the skyline so interesting. Of course this tower won't be a Tower Verre calibre, but at least it's not another boring blue glass box.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 03:47 PM   #2372
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Instead, it's an (architectonically) even more boring greyish box. Hooray.

As if Manhattan wouldn't feature enough of those already. They spoil Brooklyn Bridge and Central Park views since the 70s, still you didn't get sick and tired of them so far?


Considering what had to go for this shameless box, I just hate this tower.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 04:21 PM   #2373
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It all depends on the cladding.
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Instead, it's an (architectonically) even more boring greyish box. Hooray.

As if Manhattan wouldn't feature enough of those already. They spoil Brooklyn Bridge and Central Park views since the 70s, still you didn't get sick and tired of them so far?


Considering what had to go for this shameless box, I just hate this tower.
But there are people who love these 70s buildings
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Old June 6th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #2375
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I just hate this tower.
Don't hate. It's just bricks and steel.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #2376
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Hate is a strong feeling and this tower is a strong statement attracting strong feelings.
And my feeling towards this tower is hate.

Simple as that.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #2377
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Not me. I think 70s buildings have ruined NY skyline.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 05:56 PM   #2378
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This tower is nearly 430m and will have a shiny, sleek facade. It will be amazing and will complement interesting supertalls in the 57th St corridor (eg, One 57, 225 W 57th, and Torre Verre).
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Old June 6th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #2379
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Is any substantive news or information available regarding 432 Park?
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Old June 6th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #2380
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It all depends on the cladding.
yup, like I said, that will make or break the building.
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