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Old June 13th, 2012, 08:21 PM   #2481
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This is final design (or at least last we got). Imo empty spacings makes huge difference (I don't like it at all on the render posted by Gunner). But I understand some may still don't like it.

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Old June 13th, 2012, 08:22 PM   #2482
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Yes the design sucks. But it doesn't matter that much. The significance of this tower is in its height. It, along with One57, 225West57, Torre Verre and others mean that now any building in NY that wants to be considered first rate and command top dollar has to be over 1,000 feet tall.

The NYC skyline will be radically different in 30 years thanks to this tower.
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Old June 13th, 2012, 08:23 PM   #2483
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Did you guys miss these? edit: nvm

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/im...0606143514.jpg

http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...6/11.jpg?w=900

http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...5-am.png?w=900
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Old June 13th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #2484
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even if it might be an eye soar during the day it will look interesting at night with the spacings lit
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Old June 13th, 2012, 10:00 PM   #2485
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It needs some color. Some earlier renders showed a greenish-blueish color. I hope it'll have something. Bare looking concrete like the above render is way too bland.
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Old June 13th, 2012, 10:04 PM   #2486
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This is final design (or at least last we got). Imo empty spacings makes huge difference (I don't like it at all on the render posted by Gunner). But I understand some may still don't like it.
I agree, these spacings are a good addition to the design.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 12:38 AM   #2487
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It's not bare concrete, it will be coated in nickel
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Old June 14th, 2012, 12:41 AM   #2488
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Actually bare concrete is not white, but gray. And this tower will have pure white appearance contrasted with dark glass.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 12:51 AM   #2489
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Actually bare concrete is not white, but gray. And this tower will have pure white appearance contrasted with dark glass.
Pure white and dark glass is still pretty plain IMO. Some vibrant colors would do wonders for this tower.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 01:19 AM   #2490
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I remember hearing it was going to be covered in shiny nickel, don't know if that's true or not though.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 01:19 AM   #2491
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Pure white and dark glass is still pretty plain IMO. Some vibrant colors would do wonders for this tower.
We are getting on the field of personal fancys, but I always felt making simple contrasts is the basic idea behind this project. Blueish glass or structure would destroy that effect imo.

Would you rather like something like this more?



This is what I posted some time ago. Existing building in new york by the same architect with quite similar pattern that we are going to get here. The building itself is obviously way less catchy but still it shows well that this pattern looks quite pleasant imo and fits location nicely.

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I believe he was talking about Robert. Seems like I'm not the only one who sens his superiority complex after all Aon's fascist facade? You are going down buddy

Anyways maybe something on topic for a change:

I looked trough the other works of Rafael Vińoly the architect of 443. Granted they do love boxes I found the one below, Flatotel in NY. I think this is more or less how the cladding of 443 may actually look like. Maybe it won't be that bad after all. I like how the surface is 3d. At least not another boring flat glass wall.

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Old June 14th, 2012, 01:54 AM   #2492
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At first i loved this tower. And don't get me wrong - I still like it very much. But I'm starting to think that it may be simply too high.
Consider that It'll be in fact twice as high as buildings sorrounding the spot. Boxy shape and ridiculous proportions are not making this situation better - ESB has a spire, It's natural for it to be much higher... But this?
I'm just afraid It will stand out too much in skyline. And in this bad way if you know what I mean - much worse than in case of ESB and old WTC.







The only hope is that not far away will grow some 300-350m towers, so that great stick could blend a little... but not disappear
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Old June 14th, 2012, 02:20 AM   #2493
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Of course it will stick out extremely. We can only hope for some tall surroundings around it as you said. Someone posted a skyline poster with this tower some time ago showing clearly how this will stand out seen from far.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 02:25 AM   #2494
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here it is:

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And keep in mind it is even shown along with future towers that aren't there yet.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 02:40 AM   #2495
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This banner is from far, far away... Angles from smaller distances won't make it that tall I hope... but still - to high.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 01:41 PM   #2496
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It's not bare concrete, it will be coated in nickel
Where did you get that from?
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Old June 14th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #2497
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A few months ago there was a post that specified nickel.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 05:49 PM   #2498
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Wasnt that just a suggestion?
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Old June 14th, 2012, 05:53 PM   #2499
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I can't be bothered to search this whole thread for it.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 05:53 PM   #2500
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No, RW has a contact with some inside information about the project. This contact through RW, has given us a lot of information about this project before it was made public, and that information turned out to be correct.

Also, do people honestly think that a building being built on 56th and Park, with a target demographic of the wealthiest people in the entire world, would use bare, exposed concrete? Come on people. Think.
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