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Old June 20th, 2012, 10:45 PM   #2601
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Probably engineering/construction costs were prohibitive in this case to do anything more with such a cramped site.

Also, there are few twisting towers in the world. NY could always do with something to break up its straight lines with a few more curves. It would do the city a world of good from an aesthetic standpoint.

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Old June 20th, 2012, 10:47 PM   #2602
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I doubt a such thin tower would be possible with a twist.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 10:55 PM   #2603
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I doubt a such thin tower would be possible with a twist.
What about just rotating each segment on the central axis?
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Old June 20th, 2012, 11:06 PM   #2604
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What about just rotating each segment on the central axis?
I agree with this, it could be nice
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Old June 20th, 2012, 11:20 PM   #2605
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What about just rotating each segment on the central axis?
and maybe with a round central core. maybe it would be possible, but i'm not sure
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Old June 20th, 2012, 11:57 PM   #2606
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Well, I disagree. I happen to like thin and tall towers for a very dense city like NY. The streets are so dense and built up that large supertall bulky buildings would just make them even more canyon-like and dark. Not exactly a welcome addition for the average NYer.
There once was a solution to it that NYC came up with and that created the world's most beautiful classical skyscrapers: The 1916 Zoning Resolution.

Manhattan created the setback. And in 1961, with the bland international style coming up, it abolished it.

With setbacks or another narrowing shape, I could be perfectly fine with 432 Park Avenue. With it being nothing but another bland but huge box, I absolutely hate it. And I'm seriously thinking about supporting an initiative for historical NYC not to turn the city into a barren wasteland of boxy international style towers anymore. Remember what was torn down for this sore thumb. And what will supposedly be the fate of many more to come (many in the pipeline already).
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Old June 21st, 2012, 12:28 AM   #2607
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I don't understand this universal hatred for box buildings! WTF guys? So if it's not a fancy Dubai style tower or some post-modern monstrosity it's suddenly boring? Ever heard of minimalism? This building and other boxes, are NOT boring, nor is Manhattan a "wasteland" of boxy buildings! And it will have pre-war buildings for hundreds of years to come, since they're landmarked.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 12:30 AM   #2608
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What about just rotating each segment on the central axis?
You act like each segment is just a few tons. Consider wind forces, the swaying of the building etc etc. This is real life, no Sim City.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 03:14 AM   #2609
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Why can predict the future aspect of the tower with Sky House, (180 meters, 55 floors), also in New York:




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Old June 21st, 2012, 03:23 AM   #2610
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Well, that's a nice tower with apt proportions, a rather classical and elegant facade and a pleasant appearance. Totally in contrast to what 432 Park Ave will look like, judging from the proposals.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 03:49 AM   #2611
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The Sky House is just an elongated version of all the cheap mid-block motels that have been built in the Garment District in the last decade. Notice how it is set back from the street so that the side wall of the adjacent building shows.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 03:59 AM   #2612
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I don't understand this universal hatred for box buildings! WTF guys? So if it's not a fancy Dubai style tower or some post-modern monstrosity it's suddenly boring? Ever heard of minimalism? This building and other boxes, are NOT boring, nor is Manhattan a "wasteland" of boxy buildings! And it will have pre-war buildings for hundreds of years to come, since they're landmarked.
You totally took his comment the wrong way...

I have also noticed how every time someone criticizes a NY proposal, they just say we don't want that dubai crap...

Come on guys, seriously. All Erbse was saying is that they need to add setbacks, not some crazy shanghai tower design...
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Old June 21st, 2012, 04:07 AM   #2613
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Absolutely. This is about New York becoming New York again. Not just another exchangeable "international metropolis", d'oh!

If not even people over here complain about such faceless, dull and location-unrelated architecture...
This probably is a hopeless case.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 04:54 AM   #2614
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I also mentioned the post-modernist look in my comment, which includes setbacks and is a mix of art-deco and modern (which in my opinion sucks). The USA has more than enough of those.

Look at (the postmodern) Cityspire or Barclay Tower. They're not boxy and minimalist and they have setbacks and yet they're really bland. Unless a miracle happens and some guy can actually design GOOD looking modern art-deco scrapers, minimalism is going to stay.

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Old June 21st, 2012, 06:02 AM   #2615
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I don't think so. There have been way too many twisted towers already, that's so last-decadish.

The overall problem with this one remains the failed height-to-width proportions.
The proportions aren't failed, they're completely intentional. The slenderness of this tower is stunning and it's standout feature.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 07:19 AM   #2616
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I like 432 Park Ave the way it is, just build it and it will make me proud
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Old June 21st, 2012, 07:28 AM   #2617
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This building is way to skinny for setbacks. And design all about the location.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 07:29 AM   #2618
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The proportions aren't failed, they're completely intentional. The slenderness of this tower is stunning and it's standout feature.
I completely agree
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Old June 21st, 2012, 07:33 AM   #2619
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People will change their tunes when this sleek monster starts to rise.

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Old June 21st, 2012, 10:47 AM   #2620
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Wow! Massive idea! What an incredible shape. This will have impact on parts of the skyline. Phenomenal! 2nd fav. project.
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