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Old June 21st, 2012, 11:56 AM   #2621
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People will change their tunes when this sleek monster starts to rise.
so true! just you wait and see
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Old June 21st, 2012, 12:30 PM   #2622
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The grid looks really thin on this latest model.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 01:29 PM   #2623
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Why can predict the future aspect of the tower with Sky House, (180 meters, 55 floors), also in New York:

Damn, that looks pretty tall and it's only 180m. 432 PA is 426m tall... this will be one crazy supertall.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 01:35 PM   #2624
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THIS BUILDING WITH THE DIMENSION OF THE OLDER WTC ( ONE TOWER) WOULD BE AWESOME.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 02:10 PM   #2625
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Dont tell me this is a sample wall for PAINT they will use on some part of this building.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 02:36 PM   #2626
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Look at (the postmodern) Cityspire or Barclay Tower. They're not boxy and minimalist and they have setbacks and yet they're really bland. Unless a miracle happens and some guy can actually design GOOD looking modern art-deco scrapers, minimalism is going to stay.
You've got to be kidding. I even responded to you regarding this.
Please have a look at this post for reference: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...3#post92497673


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Old June 21st, 2012, 02:41 PM   #2627
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The proportions aren't failed, they're completely intentional.
LOL. Sorry but that ought to be a joke.

I mean, look at this - its proportions most probably are intentional as well, but uhm... Yeah, look at it - it fails in terms of tasteful aesthetics


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So does 432 Park. Just on a much larger scale. I'm not into continuing this discussion forever, but I'd like to find out what's the reason behind all this negotiation of human aesthetics, traditional and local values and empathy for blandness. I just can't understand it, sorry.

This globally completely exchangeable, bland and arrogant modernism has spoiled so many cities around the globe already. I just fail to see how it improved any of our historical cities. Think of what beauties cities like Rio or Tokyo once were... I'm from Germany, that suffered a lot of war and post-war destructions of its cities. Most people hate what was done to their cities - and thus it's not comprehensible how people are INTENTIONALLY destroying their city's heritage and souls.


Just two threads for reference, there are many more:
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Old June 21st, 2012, 03:17 PM   #2628
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You've got to be kidding. I even responded to you regarding this.
Please have a look at this post for reference: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...3#post92497673


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Looks like you can't accept differences. You're stuck in the past. I think it's time for you to realize that time passed and things are changed. This is how architecture looks today. You can forever if you want but you can't have any influence on how things are developing and changing through the time. I guess if it was up to you we would still have doric and ionic columns. In about 1000 years there could be buildings looking like penises. Who cares. If most of the people like it that way and if that's the way things are changing then accept it or just kill yourself if you can't stand it. This how architecture today looks terrible is too annoying already in this thread.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 03:18 PM   #2629
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So which is it now?

This


or this?


They differ quite a lot and the one posted lately looks like preliminary design and worse imo.
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So which is it now?
My logic says the first one. There's no way that such a thin structural facade can hold this thing up.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 04:37 PM   #2631
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So which is it now?
It's the same thing in different light. Both are official renderings from CIM. Here's a rendering from Vinoly as to what the facade will look like at street level. The metal grid/facade is not thick, considering that each "square" is about 15 feet wide.


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Old June 21st, 2012, 04:52 PM   #2632
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I think neither one are completely true to the building...these are just low resolution drawings and are to be taken with a grain of salt...have patience.

And erbse..can't you just accept that some people don't agree with you?
Cities must renew themselves or die or just become museums.

This is my city and I love this building...
I'll say it one more time for those who don't listen and who do not know what they are talking about...the Drake and the townhouses that were removed for this building were nothing special...this building WILL BE something special...there the last time I'm saying it I promise

on a positive note:
Another pour going on this morning...finishing up perimeter walls and forming more tower column footings...going uP!
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Old June 21st, 2012, 04:54 PM   #2633
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This is precisely how the facade will look. This is Vinoly's rendering.

http://cdn.archinect.net/images/615x...hm2e4hr0h4.jpg

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Old June 21st, 2012, 05:05 PM   #2634
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This is precisely how the facade will look. This is Vinoly's rendering.
But the grid is not even connected to the tower here.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 05:19 PM   #2635
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@RobertWalpole sorry I don't buy it. They might came from the developer but there is no way the building will look that different depending on light conditions. I just think that the greenish render is an older more primitive version. I also think the old base render you posted is outdated now. Look at the clearance I marked on it. There is no such clearance visible on any of the newer renders as well as on the model and plans.





I may be wrong but this is much more interesting topic to discuss than this pointless battle everyone is fueling lately.

@jconyc I don't agree, the render above looks quite realistic to me. I guess this is how the tower will look like in real live but it would be nice to have some official confirmation like render on the developers site.
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Dont tell me this is a sample wall for PAINT they will use on some part of this building.
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Source:http://www.432parkavenue.com/construction/#video2
I thought all the townhouses on 57th and been demolished already. I know CIM bought the Turnbull & Asser (the one with the flags). The Jacob & Co was the last holdout as far as I knew. But that news was from late last year. With them building the retaining walls, it looks like they've given up at this point and will just proceed with the site as is. Anyone else have other news?
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I guess I should have elaborated...I think the drawings are a bit fuzzy to tell a whole lot about the proportions and more importantly the profile of the grid. In some renders (I apologize that I not able to illustrate this, I am a bit computer challenged on the image inserting front) In some cases the grid is square in section and in others there appears to be a taper to it...in other words the structure surrounding the windows is beveled toward the outside so the structure presents more of a fin like shape. This would also allow a broader view when looking out through the windows.I suspect that something close to this is what will actually take shape. My point is that this detail show not show up in most of the renderings which show more of a blunt structure more indicative of the over section...imagine a square as opposed to triangle described by a square of the same dimension. The point of this is that the finned structure would appear much lighter than the square one. I wish I could draw this so it would make more sense. I agree that Roberts drawing below described the profile most accurately regardless of the inner detail. It may be that the finned exterior would be more aerodynamic. Of consideration of note here as well are possible areas for the collection of snow and ice....something New Yorkers are quite focused on...think dodging snow or ice clumps falling to sidewalk 1200 meters below! this is a constant hazard with the Sony building a block away


ps In the DOB renderings the structural profiles are shown as square in section with the windows flush with surface but the glass beveled inwards around the edges much like a bay window...see pages 6 and 7 of the pdf... so who knows for sure

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Old June 21st, 2012, 06:54 PM   #2638
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I think you mean 1200 feet.
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Darn only 1200 FEET? I thought this thing was 1400 METERS!!!???
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I guess I should have elaborated...I think the drawings are a bit fuzzy to tell a whole lot about the proportions and more importantly the profile of the grid. In some renders (I apologize that I not able to illustrate this, I am a bit computer challenged on the image inserting front) In some cases the grid is square in section and in others there appears to be a taper to it...in other words the structure surrounding the windows is beveled toward the outside so the structure presents more of a fin like shape. This would also allow a broader view when looking out through the windows.I suspect that something close to this is what will actually take shape. My point is that this detail show not show up in most of the renderings which show more of a blunt structure more indicative of the over section...imagine a square as opposed to triangle described by a square of the same dimension. The point of this is that the finned structure would appear much lighter than the square one. I wish I could draw this so it would make more sense. I agree that Roberts drawing below described the profile most accurately regardless of the inner detail. It may be that the finned exterior would be more aerodynamic. Of consideration of note here as well are possible areas for the collection of snow and ice....something New Yorkers are quite focused on...think dodging snow or ice clumps falling to sidewalk 1200 meters below! this is a constant hazard with the Sony building a block away


ps In the DOB renderings the structural profiles are shown as square in section with the windows flush with surface but the glass beveled inwards around the edges much like a bay window...see pages 6 and 7 of the pdf... so who knows for sure
Exactly. It seems that they abandoned the idea of thin beveled grid at some point. Notice that if it was still on in the design in new render it would be visible because horizontal beams would appear much thinner at certain height (height of the camera) instead they are always fat. Also plans seems to confirm this.





This grid is tower's major support so imo this is no strange that this thin option had to be replaced.

Besides we were talking about tower's general appearance and the base rendering even if accurate by the grid still couldn't show it as it lacks even cladding glass and basic inner structure.
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