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Old June 22nd, 2012, 03:21 AM   #2661
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@RobertWalpole sorry I don't buy it. They might came from the developer but there is no way the building will look that different depending on light conditions. I just think that the greenish render is an older more primitive version. I also think the old base render you posted is outdated now. Look at the clearance I marked on it. There is no such clearance visible on any of the newer renders as well as on the model and plans.



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There was never intended to be a huge gap between the metal exoskeleton and the glass. What you highlighted is simply An illusion due to lighting/shading. This tower has always needed the exterior facade to support its height. Nothing has changed in that regard.

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Old June 22nd, 2012, 11:59 AM   #2662
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Oh c'mon, seriously, an illusion? And the fact that I can see part of the grid that is on the back side "trough" the building is also an illusion? And what about the blueprints? They clearly shows that gird profile is rectangular/square, and not thin beveled like on this render.

I know you sometimes have inside information but that just doesn't make sense. So what are you trying to say? That blueprints and new renders are not accurate or what?
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 02:28 PM   #2663
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Do you seriously think that the rendering depicts a building surrounded by an open cage? As noted, from the start of this project, the exterior facade was absolutely essential to support the tower.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 02:37 PM   #2664
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Do you seriously think that the rendering depicts a building surrounded by an open cage?
This is You who try to convince us this is the most accurate render here while it obviously lacks some basic elements. I guess it was one of the preliminary renders made especially to show the grid itself not complete building, but still it seems that even grid will be different.

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As noted, from the start of this project, the exterior facade was absolutely essential to support the tower.
Correct, and that is probably the reason why they resign the thin delicate grid shown on this render for fat square in section one shown in blueprints.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 02:48 PM   #2665
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Do you seriously think that it was initially designed with insufficient exterior supports that were too thin?
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 02:49 PM   #2666
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I wish it had a few setbacks, for instance like this. It would still be a very thin tower.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 03:17 PM   #2667
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Do you seriously think that it was initially designed with insufficient exterior supports that were too thin?
It is often the case that the preliminary "artistic" design is changed later by the engineers. Maybe it even was possible but simply too expensive to accept.

But anyways you still haven't explained why blueprints shows something completely different (the grid) than this render.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 03:38 PM   #2668
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Little off topic here, but germantower is that building directly to the left of BofA 855 Sixth Ave?
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 03:52 PM   #2669
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Robert it IS an open cage. There isn't even a square tower inside just a small wall. Look to the left, you can see the other tower and then the sky thru the grid. It's the most f'ed up render I've ever seen.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 04:35 PM   #2670
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I wish it had a few setbacks, for instance like this. It would still be a very thin tower.
http://i49.************/29fxflu.jpg
Now... THAT would be beautiful... this would be really amazing, it would make the building stand out not just a huge pillar, but at the same time architecturally....

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Old June 22nd, 2012, 05:28 PM   #2671
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It's funny (actually sad) that forumers from SSC and SSP are able to come up with a better building / rendering within minutes than so called famous architects such as Vinoly.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 05:49 PM   #2672
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Apologies before hand for this dumb question:

Doesn't this building need a more deeper foundation? I mean it will be be almost 1400 ft, so it should be at least 8 or 9 grades below ground level to secure a strong foundation?

Or maybe I am not understanding something.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 05:54 PM   #2673
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Rather don't know something. What it is the fact that Manhattan has bedrock very close to the surface so excavations don't have to be very deep since the tower is directly connected to the solid rock
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:12 PM   #2674
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I wish it had a few setbacks, for instance like this. It would still be a very thin tower.
http://i49.************/29fxflu.jpg
I was never a great admirer of this building, but I'm finding that it is growing on me, and I'm starting to find that despite my still wishing that it was a bit shorter, it has a kind of monolithic beauty. It's possible I'm just coming to accept that this is what will be built and I have to deal with that, or just that I've seen the renders so many times that it's merely out of familiarity that I'm less annoyed about it, but either way, I am liking it a little bit now.

The point of this post was just to say, that whilst realising that that amendment to the building was just thrown together, it looks even worse than the tower we're getting. It's made me realise even further that when a site is so small, any deviation from a straightforward box other than with regards to the fašade just looks clumsy. Also, we have to remember that any thing other than a box would mean less floor space and therefore less money for the developers.

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Old June 22nd, 2012, 08:22 PM   #2675
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Guys place your bets which building will be completed first 432 or wtc 2 ?
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 08:29 PM   #2676
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Guys place your bets which building will be completed first 432 or wtc 2 ?
432. It shouldn't go on hold
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 08:45 PM   #2677
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Guys place your bets which building will be completed first 432 or wtc 2 ?
432 by far. It won't even be close. A more equal comparison probably would be 15 Penn Plaza or Manhattan West and 2WTC. The taller Hudson Yards tower probably has way better odds than 2WTC.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 10:06 PM   #2678
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432. It shouldn't go on hold
Don't be too sure of that. Remember, construction on One57 ground to a halt last year until they got their funding completed.

I won't believe this thing is past the point of no return until it passes about the 30th floor.
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 12:23 AM   #2679
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May 2012 by Richard Berenholz

























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Old June 23rd, 2012, 12:57 AM   #2680
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Looks like Richard will be our Joe Woolhead for this project
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