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Old October 12th, 2012, 05:11 AM   #3941
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Just seems like that FAA ordinance has been around for (as long as I can remember),, Just seems like in this day and age, of the futuristic skyscraper,, (several being built over 2000ft) they could, and should amend the height to 2500 to 3000Ft, in the US. One ? arrises why is there a 2200 ft radio mast in the Dakotas? On a different note, I know Hong Kong's ordinance says nothing can be taller than the surrounding Mountains,, Or else they were shooting for 2000ft with ICC, but had to downsize it to just under 1600, due to the ordinance..
I thought that the 1,800 footer was the one they split in half to get Nina and some other tower. Did the ICC get downsized as well?
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Old October 12th, 2012, 05:21 AM   #3942
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also, i don't know the technical term for them, but every ten floors or so are those open air spaces that are supposed to help the building withstand turbulent wind forces
Fire floors? for fire and smoke escape, maybe?
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Old October 12th, 2012, 05:21 AM   #3943
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We know the building is 93.5' square so if the height stays at 1398'
the ratio is 1:14.935

If it ends up being actually 432 m then the ratio will be 1:15.158
Thank you for clarifying jconyc. Why do some websites claim this is 1,379-1,380 feet? Do we have three possible heights? .
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Old October 12th, 2012, 05:41 AM   #3944
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I thought that the 1,800 footer was the one they split in half to get Nina and some other tower. Did the ICC get downsized as well?
Yes,The original proposal for icc was designed to be 574 m.The height had been scaled back to 484m due to regulations that didn't allow buildings to be taller than the surrounding mountains.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 12:23 PM   #3945
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Anyone else having issue with accessing the web site?
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Old October 12th, 2012, 01:03 PM   #3946
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also, i don't know the technical term for them, but every ten floors or so are those open air spaces that are supposed to help the building withstand turbulent wind forces
And the thinness of this building means that the wind load is smaller than it would be in a wider building
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Old October 12th, 2012, 01:54 PM   #3947
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Anyone else having issue with accessing the web site?
Yes, it seems to be down. Hopefully this gets fixed quickly.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 02:24 PM   #3948
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guys, plz, stop talking about nothing and give us PHOTO
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Old October 12th, 2012, 02:34 PM   #3949
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As others have reported, the website is down today. Hopefully, it will be back up soon.

The major activities to date have been that of forming the first sub-basement floor. In addition, core and some of the major perimeter column reinforcement has been installed. All this action required a significant increase in the manpower required, hence the larger work crew on site. Carpenters are busy working on formwork.

A continuous stream of reinforcement, lumber, portable toilets and other building materials have been delivered. Material has been stockpiled in the east area towards Park Avenue. As floor forming continues toward that area, there will be reduced area for material storage, requiring just-in-time delivery of materials. Yesterday, just-in-time delivery of floor forms occured, with placement of some of them taking place. Against the E.56 Street perimeter wall, a concrete pour took place earlier in the week, with a second level formed yesterday.

Shoring for additional floor formwork has been placed in anticipation for placement of formwork. Due to the large floor area of the basement floors, it is anticipated that this work may take some time until the tower typical floor plates are reached.

Update 8:34AM (EST) - As of now, the website is now in operation.

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Old October 12th, 2012, 04:21 PM   #3950
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Dumb question maybe but here goes: They seem to be laying out the ENTIRE 1st floor to do one huge pour of concrete. Fine, makes sense. But don't they have materials and tools that are in the site and won't these by definition be beneath all the wood frame (they certainly can't be on it while they are doing a pour).

I can only assume the answer is yes. If so, how do they get all that stuff up onto the new floor once the concrete has dried? I guess they can lift it through whatever holes there are but that sounds like a pain and time consuming.

As an alternative if they only built out and poured half the floor at a time they could always just shift the stuff between the half that was being poured and the half that was already solid conrete with no new wood on it yet. That would seem easier.

Kind of hard to put into words so I'm not sure if this makes sense to people but if it does and anyone has thoughts I'd be interested to know how this works.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 04:32 PM   #3951
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Old October 12th, 2012, 04:42 PM   #3952
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600 West 218,

Not a dumb question at all, it's one I think is a reasonable question to ask.

However, observing the progress, I see floor levels at different elevations, although due to the angle of the webcam, they may not be readily observable at first glance, but upon closer inspection, they become visible. Because of this, I believe the floor will be poured in sections. The material presently being stockpiled to the east will be located upward as sections of the floors are poured, and can adequately bear the construction loads that will be placed on them. This is normal in high-rise construction: you move materials, tools, etc. upward as you go up.

No doubt, there are materials to be placed on the lowest floor slab (mechanical items, plumbing, etc.) which can be lowered through access holes in the floors.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 06:07 PM   #3953
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600 West 218,

Not a dumb question at all, it's one I think is a reasonable question to ask.

However, observing the progress, I see floor levels at different elevations, although due to the angle of the webcam, they may not be readily observable at first glance, but upon closer inspection, they become visible. Because of this, I believe the floor will be poured in sections. The material presently being stockpiled to the east will be located upward as sections of the floors are poured, and can adequately bear the construction loads that will be placed on them. This is normal in high-rise construction: you move materials, tools, etc. upward as you go up.

No doubt, there are materials to be placed on the lowest floor slab (mechanical items, plumbing, etc.) which can be lowered through access holes in the floors.
Yes, you are right. The floor is not all at the same leve so they probably will be able to shift things around without to much problem. Didn't think about that.

Thanks for the explanation.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 06:28 PM   #3954
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There are some ground-level photos from yesterday here:

http://afinecompany.blogspot.com/201...tower-432.html
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Old October 12th, 2012, 07:01 PM   #3955
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nice we have some rebare on the 2e ground floor
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Old October 12th, 2012, 07:10 PM   #3956
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Concrete truck now on site. Not sure what is ready for a pour.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #3957
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They are pouring the northwest corner at 57th.
Edit or it's the columns.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 10:38 PM   #3958
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Rebar for a column is going in now, more is laying on the ground.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #3959
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Rebar for a column is going in now, more is laying on the ground.
I just get the luck to watch the crane lifting one entire cage of rebar...
That happened about 10 minutos ago.



An then putting it on place for the second column of the east side from the southeast corner




As you said, still two more cages on the ground. (on the right side, just looking above of the branch of the tree)

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Old October 12th, 2012, 11:36 PM   #3960
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Ready to lift another one...


Beginning to lift it...


Placing it in a vertical position...


It is on the air!



Almost there...


And Voila, put on its place for the second column (or should I say the first column?) of the west side from the southwest corner.


The remaining cage must be for the third column (or second) of the west side.
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