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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:32 AM   #4021
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Terrible news. I don't think it'll look as bad as some think. But I don't have high hopes.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:47 AM   #4022
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Is it possible that they'll use precast concrete with limestone panels attached? Or will it be just be pure, unadulterated, soviet style concrete?
The old commie blocks were actually built from pre cast pieces. Modern exposed architectural concrete can be very beautiful on the other hand...
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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:49 AM   #4023
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Is it possible that they'll use precast concrete with limestone panels attached? Or will it be just be pure, unadulterated, soviet style concrete?
It will be exposed concrete.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:40 AM   #4024
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All the columns of the south side have already theyr rebar cages put in place.

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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:51 AM   #4025
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I came across information today that the facade, in fact, will be composed of concrete -- not metal. I have no idea how this will look, though it does not sound promising.
It will look like shit, doesn't make any sense to use concrete.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:55 AM   #4026
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It will look like shit, doesn't make any sense to use concrete.
Maybe. Maybe not. It could have the appearance of limestone.

This eyesore by Rogers, by contrast, looks like sh.it. Do you agree?
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Old October 16th, 2012, 07:14 AM   #4027
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What about those "free spaces" in between? Is it some sort of balconies, terraces?

Will there be balconies, an observation deck or a rooftop terrace at all?

Imagining the rates they're asking for those fancy apartments I'd demand a balcony or something to go outside and enjoy some fresh air and views.
I don't know for sure but I remember hearing a forum member saying that those spaces every 500ft are for air flow,, wind blowing through so the tower is more aerodynamic,, I may be wrong,, but Hong Kong Icc has the same every 1/3 of the tower.. I Could be totally wrong, so if anybody knows better please post!!!
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Old October 16th, 2012, 01:51 PM   #4028
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neither can I. I'm sure the finish will be top class, because this building is for the rich and famous.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 02:11 PM   #4029
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This is awesome news. A concrete facade is an absolute beauty if done right and I am pretty sure that in the case of this building it will be done right. A 426 meter brutalist residential tower is the perfect addition for NYC. This building will quickly become the main landmark of Midtown, in my opinion
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Old October 16th, 2012, 03:07 PM   #4030
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This was rendering before it was built. Everyone was hating this thing.


http://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/real-e...-roundup/19441

And this is hot it looks now. 432 PA will be very similar to this. just way taller. If that concrete will be painted white, even better. Those huge windows will have perfect reflections, you won'r even notice concrete there.


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Old October 16th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #4031
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Limestone was just used for the bottom 11 or so stories of the Setai, so both of you are right.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 04:40 PM   #4032
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It's NOT brutalist. How many times has this been said...
A concrete facade is rather brutalist because unlike for example glass aluminium or nickel, concrete is both a structural element and a facade. That is in my opinion a trademark of both functionalism and brutalism
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Old October 16th, 2012, 04:44 PM   #4033
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No it isn't. By wikipedia:

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Conversely, not all buildings exhibiting an exposed concrete exterior can be considered Brutalist, and may belong to one of a range of architectural styles including Constructivism, International Style, Expressionism, Postmodernism, and Deconstructivism.
You just don't understand/feel the style of brutalism.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:33 PM   #4034
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Maybe. Maybe not. It could have the appearance of limestone.

This eyesore by Rogers, by contrast, looks like sh.it. Do you agree?
Anyway, limestone will not fit as well metal in the facade of this tower, the design is incredible simple, without metal it will really look like a piece of shit in Manhatan skyline, what a shame.

Probably it is a CIM decision, someone is trying to save couple millions in a multibilionaire building, smart decision, huh?

About this building by Rogers, it can't even be compared, it is inserted in a totally diferent context.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:38 PM   #4035
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Very windy today. Good thing they are working below grade or they might have to put everything on hold.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #4036
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Looks like they are lifting in portajohns
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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:42 PM   #4037
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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:52 PM   #4038
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Renderings to date show an 'exoskeleton' of concrete with floor-to-ceiling glass at an indent. None that I have seen suggest either stone or metallic fascia.

I don't share the general disapproval; consider it elegant in context. Understated.

You guys must despise the Apple cube.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #4039
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Anyway, limestone will not fit as well metal in the facade of this tower, the design is incredible simple, without metal it will really look like a piece of shit in Manhatan skyline, what a shame.

Probably it is a CIM decision, someone is trying to save couple millions in a multibilionaire building, smart decision, huh?

About this building by Rogers, it can't even be compared, it is inserted in a totally diferent context.
The decision ultimately was made not to use a metal facade because it would not provide the structural support needed for this very thin and very tall tower.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:44 PM   #4040
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Are you sure your source meant bare uncovered concrete? Because something tells me by "concrete cladding" they meant concrete supporting grid which still can be covered or at least painted. In your last post why they say that they cannot use steel mentioning structural support as an argument? It looks like they are simply saying that the grid won't be steel frame not that the concrete grid will be uncovered. My point is, whatever will eventually be on the concrete grid won't play any role in supporting the tower. It adds weight, yes but it isn't supporting anything, and in your post you clearly said the reason not to use steel is that steel wouldn't provide enough support for the tower which doesn't make sense if we talk purely about the cladding panels, and not supporting grid.
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