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Old December 20th, 2012, 09:01 PM   #4921
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I was wondering before why they didn't build a bigger tower, with a bigger footprint.
I thought it was probably not possible to demolish other buildings around it, because of historic value/importance or that they were too big.
But now on one picture it's clearly visible that just with the demolishment of 3 small buildings, which don't look very special to me, there would have been alot more space to build. This picture shows which buildings I mean:

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Old December 20th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #4922
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The Architecture Taliban (Nimbys/classicists) would have gone crazy if that happened.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 10:59 PM   #4923
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I was wondering before why they didn't build a bigger tower, with a bigger footprint.
I thought it was probably not possible to demolish other buildings around it, because of historic value/importance or that they were too big.
But now on one picture it's clearly visible that just with the demolishment of 3 small buildings, which don't look very special to me, there would have been alot more space to build. This picture shows which buildings I mean:


I don't think that would have allowed them to build a larger tower. I think they already own the air rights to those buildings and are building the maximum size building that those air rights allow. You can't simply build as large a structure as you want in NYC.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 11:00 PM   #4924
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what is the width of the building?
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Old December 20th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #4925
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93 feet, 94 feet? I know that it is between 90 and 100 feet
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Old December 20th, 2012, 11:28 PM   #4926
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Old December 21st, 2012, 12:16 AM   #4927
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An exact average of the values I thought it to be, LOL
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Old December 21st, 2012, 12:17 AM   #4928
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27 meters wide. this is like a thing from make belief. nowhere else we can find something like that
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Old December 21st, 2012, 12:20 AM   #4929
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An exact average of the values I thought it to be, LOL
Yep, good guess.

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27 meters wide. this is like a thing from make belief. nowhere else we can find something like that
Really interesting to watch, hard core engineering porn.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 01:23 AM   #4930
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27 meters wide. this is like a thing from make belief. nowhere else we can find something like that
Actually a little bit wider. 93,5 feet = 28,5 meters.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 01:26 AM   #4931
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Whatever, it's just f*cking thin.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 03:40 AM   #4932
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Does anyone have information on the concrete they are using to build this thin supertall building? It must be some kind of super-strength new age concrete.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 03:49 AM   #4933
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Does anyone have information on the concrete they are using to build this thin supertall building? It must be some kind of super-strength new age concrete.
super size rebar
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Old December 21st, 2012, 04:32 AM   #4934
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Seeing the wider neighborhood shots, it's interesting to see how that one black tower's side wall that previously might've had a structure there, now has an arrangement of shearwall and lack of windows until about the 20th or 21st floor, probably because the Drake Hotel I'm gusesing might've been there prior. A neat capture in time of what was once there but now, isn't.

Also to think that usually you just think of these giant buildings sitting at street level when there's a bsement or two below but also utility below that. It makes it as if all the streets are far above what one would normally call "street level" or at grade.

I'm curious if those traditional townhouses that are highlighted in a few shots in posts above will have their value SKYROCKET once 432P is done

Otherwise man, not even 100' wide, this thing's going to be dense!
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Old December 21st, 2012, 04:34 AM   #4935
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I realize that the rebar is super sized but the concrete must be a new form of concrete. Why were no other buildings so skinny and so tall in the past?
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Old December 21st, 2012, 06:01 AM   #4936
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I realize that the rebar is super sized but the concrete must be a new form of concrete. Why were no other buildings so skinny and so tall in the past?
Because there is no practical market for a tower with 432 Park Avenue's shape. Since it is a premium real estate structure in the heart of New York City for the super rich, practicality has flown out the window.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 07:38 AM   #4937
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Does anyone have information on the concrete they are using to build this thin supertall building? It must be some kind of super-strength new age concrete.
The base is using 10,000 to 12,000 psi concrete, and the upper part of the tower is using 8,000 psi concrete. It's fairly strong stuff, but not quite as strong as the stuff being used in the WTC (14,000 psi).
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Old December 21st, 2012, 03:19 PM   #4938
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Also, the tuned mass dampener will do a lot to help the building cope with winds
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Old December 21st, 2012, 06:26 PM   #4939
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I was wondering before why they didn't build a bigger tower, with a bigger footprint.
I thought it was probably not possible to demolish other buildings around it, because of historic value/importance or that they were too big.
But now on one picture it's clearly visible that just with the demolishment of 3 small buildings, which don't look very special to me, there would have been alot more space to build. This picture shows which buildings I mean:

Thank God these were saved. Small buildings like that are very important to any urban streetscape. Most of the time we don't observe/interact with a building above its 3rd story or so. This is how the assemblage used to look:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QYEG9h9nSR...-50e57st-0.jpg

Notice how this assemblage forms a very attractive streetscape. I understand, the city must evolve, but it's also important to have a mix of low, medium and high-rises to achieve vibrancy. That's why I'm glad that 1) at least a few of these were saved; 2) on 57th Street, the tower occupies a very narrow lot and abuts its neighbors directly without resorting to a dull, sprawling, anti-urban base; 3) the building peacefully coexists with the rest of the urban fabric (like, say, the ESB) - instead of saying "look at me and give me space", it says "yea, I'm just another building. So what if I'm a supertall? Tall is the new normal. Get used to it." Supertalls with overwhelmingly large plazas around them are becoming common around the world, but where else could you find a supertall butting its walls up against regular townhomes?
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