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Old January 5th, 2013, 02:19 PM   #5061
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another found on http://newconstructionmanhattan.com/...32-park-avenue (not sure if it's an official rendering)
makes you realize how much this one will stand out

Spectacular from construction point of vieuw !

But aesthetically still a ugly building.
A large stick and thats all...

Thats my opinion, just want to say what i think of it.
Sure other people share other maenings.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 02:26 PM   #5062
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So, why don't you regard Chicago's Aon as an ugly stick? Because it's shorter and fatter? I'm not being provocative. I'm curious how people can claim to love one and hate the other although they have the same shape.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 02:44 PM   #5063
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this building totaly fits into newyorks skyline its now taller than others suround it but within 10-15 years you have to search for that building in the 2025 skyline of new york
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Old January 5th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #5064
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So, why don't you regard Chicago's Aon as an ugly stick? Because it's shorter and fatter? I'm not being provocative. I'm curious how people can claim to love one and hate the other although they have the same shape.
Aon isn't a stick for one thing, it's a box. A fat one at that. I'd call 432 a sliver building. They have much different proportions. That's the main difference. Aon and 432 are different styles. One is a big fat office building, the other a skinny residential building. Both tall and rectangular. But that's about where it ends.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 07:58 PM   #5065
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wow, great link, there are some floor plans there (although i can't seem to access them) and also rendered interiors (which are rather psychedelic )



and, also, some prices 1 bedroom - starting at 4.950 mil

edit: in the printer friendly version you can see the floor plans
http://newconstructionmanhattan.com/...32-park-avenue

clever floor plans, I especially like the way they used the 4 elevators to create private landings for most apartments



i like how it says "post-war mid-rise"

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Old January 5th, 2013, 08:23 PM   #5066
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another found on http://newconstructionmanhattan.com/...32-park-avenue (not sure if it's an official rendering)
makes you realize how much this one will stand out

Very dominant from this angle!
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Old January 5th, 2013, 08:30 PM   #5067
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Right now on the 56th St camera, you can see several workers walking upon the squares. It gives a sense of how big each of the six squares (and the windows that will fill them) is. This will be quite glassy.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #5068
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They installed what looks like the white-concrete cladding people have been talking about and it seems that it will be at the same time the formwork for the columns and beams, so the cladding in this tower will be installed before the columns are done instead of after, as it is usually done, interesting.

You can see that in the 56th st camera
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Old January 5th, 2013, 10:22 PM   #5069
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some more pix here:
http://www.newyorkyimby.com/search/l...0Park%20Avenue

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Old January 6th, 2013, 05:15 AM   #5070
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How much space is between the core and outer wall? To be honest, I don't like this building.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 05:18 AM   #5071
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My best guess would be around 45 feet, considering it's footprint is 93.5 feet by 93.5 feet.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 07:42 PM   #5072
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If it is 93.5 feet, I would estimate 25-30 feet.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 07:59 PM   #5073
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The core looks like it takes up half of the width of the building so my guess is about 20-25 feet are between the core and the perimeter columns.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 08:25 PM   #5074
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Oops, my bad. I was referring to the sides of the core. So yes, divide 45 by 2 and get ~22.5 feet.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 08:41 PM   #5075
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The core looks like it takes up half of the width of the building so my guess is about 20-25 feet are between the core and the perimeter columns.
After the first couple of floors, the core shrinks significantly, though.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #5076
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Is it this wide on the lower levels to be stronger against bending by the wind? From what I know there's something about the moment of inertia in bending but I am now only relearning high school physics (relearning is kinda a weird word for me to choose because when I was at high school I didn't learn much ) so I'm not sure.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 09:29 PM   #5077
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I too am currently taking physics, and I'll try to answer you in the best way I can.

As we all know, the core is the spine for a skyscraper. It supports it and holds it in the sky. By having a wider core at the base, the core's center of mass is lowered and consequentially the tower as well. By lowering the center of mass, the building becomes more and more stable. The reason is that for a structure to topple, the center of gravity of an object must extend beyond where the base touches the ground. By lowering the center of mass, an object must tilt at a much greater angle to extend beyond its base. The Seattle Space Needle has a huge mass that it connects to underground. In fact, it's so massive that its center of mass is underground! So it is impossible for it to fall over in one piece, no exceptions. Back to 432 Park Avenue: Since its center of mass has already been lowered considerably, all it needs is assurance that winds won't tear the upper floors off the building. Therefore, a smaller core is all that is necessary to keep it from toppling, because a large one isn't necessary in this case..

A visual example of what I was referring to:


The base in this case is the side of the box in contact with the inclined plane.

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Old January 6th, 2013, 10:03 PM   #5078
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Thank you for the explanation. Such stuff is very interesting to me since I would like to one day be an engineer
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Old January 6th, 2013, 10:04 PM   #5079
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You're welcome. I'd like to become an architect in the near future. Maybe we could work together sometime.
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Would be awesome
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