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Old October 19th, 2011, 07:45 AM   #581
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Boy... maybe they should have kept the rendering to themselves for a bit longer. Not terrible, but for its height it doesn't look very iconic.

Then again it says its an artist's rendering of the building. I'm assuming that this means that it isn't an official rendering and its just meant to give people an idea of what a building of that height would look like.
Well it is the render that RobertWalpole has been describing for months.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 08:04 AM   #582
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It's everything I thought it would be. Supertall, super skinny and super bland.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 09:38 AM   #583
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I think I expected more too.

And btw, whats about the circle to square transition? I can see nothing of the sort in the render.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 10:09 AM   #584
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COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE - OCTOBER 19, 2011
New York Placing Tallest Order



By CRAIG KARMIN

A Los Angeles real-estate company founded by two former Israeli paratroopers and a Drexel Burnham Lambert executive has emerged as one of the country's most active property buyers. Now it is poised to unveil plans for its main showpiece: New York's tallest residential tower.

CIM Group last year snapped up a prized Park Avenue development site in Midtown Manhattan for $305 million, well below the land's value during the boom years. Developers have considered it one of the most attractive sites in the world because of its location at the heart of New York City.

The firm and its partner, New York developer Harry Macklowe, have been quiet about their intentions. But plans show a more than 1,300-foot tall, slender condo and retail complex designed by Rafael Vinoly, the Uruguayan-born architect best known in New York for designing Jazz at Lincoln Center inside Time Warner Center.

The plans for the project, named 432 Park Ave., call for 128 condos with more than 12-foot high ceilings; a 5,000 square foot, partially covered, driveway to ensure privacy; and amenities like golf training facilities and private dining and screening rooms. The total price tag: more than $1 billion.

There is no scheduled completion date, and the project still faces challenges amid an uncertain economic and market environment. Crucially, CIM needs a construction loan of as much as $700 million. That isn't an easy type of financing to obtain these days, with European banks cutting back because of their debt problems and only a small handful of U.S. banks willing to lend.

Avi Shemesh, a CIM founding principal, said the firm is confident it will get a loan. "We have longstanding relationships with lenders," Mr. Shemesh said. "We anticipate our construction financing to be in place well in advance of any sort of deadline."

CIM's purchase of the Park Avenue site took advantage of the collapse of Mr. Macklowe's real-estate empire. Mr. Macklowe acquired the site, which then housed the Drake Hotel, in 2006. But before he finalized his plans he defaulted on the debt.

Mr. Macklowe is still working on the project, although he no longer has an equity stake, according to people familiar with the matter. A spokesman for Mr. Macklowe declined to comment.

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Old October 19th, 2011, 02:20 PM   #585
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I actually like it. Simple but beautiful. Just waiting for Kanto now, who will jizz over this when he see's it :P
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Old October 19th, 2011, 02:41 PM   #586
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I actually like it. Simple but beautiful.
I second that.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 02:56 PM   #587
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It would make a neat looking smaller building, but the design is just to un-inspiring for its height. I was hoping that despite all the initial claims of the boxy design that it would at least have one distinctive part.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 03:02 PM   #588
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STR will probably make a high quality render of this soon.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 04:14 PM   #589
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It would make a neat looking smaller building, but the design is just to un-inspiring for its height. I was hoping that despite all the initial claims of the boxy design that it would at least have one distinctive part.
It was supposed to, but apparently it was value-engineered out of the design. Each cube was supposed to sit on a drum-shaped, double-height mechanical floor.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 04:15 PM   #590
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I think I expected more too.

And btw, whats about the circle to square transition? I can see nothing of the sort in the render.
Apparently it was value-engineered out of the design. Each cube was supposed to sit on a drum-shaped, double-height mechanical floor.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 05:32 PM   #591
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Apparently it was value-engineered out of the design. Each cube was supposed to sit on a drum-shaped, double-height mechanical floor.
Maybe it's still there, just behind that grid..notice that those darker sections are 2 floors high..
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Old October 19th, 2011, 05:41 PM   #592
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The drums were to be the sole set back from the facade. That was the "surprise" element that I referred to, and it's gone.

It's a good thing that I warned people to have low expectations.

That being said, despite the lame design, this building will sell-out at at least $7k/sf on average.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 06:21 PM   #593
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It's awesome!

like another WTC tower next to central park
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Old October 19th, 2011, 07:36 PM   #594
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OHHH MY GOSHH!!! Finally some official image. From what Robert had told us, I was expecting something like that. Sure, design is not that we say "Wow, what incredible architecture, never seen anything like it", but anyway, this building combines a lot to this place.

I am very happy. Yesterday I went to sleep thinking "POOO, as I like to have some news about a project in New York" and today I turn on the PC and see it. Very rewarding.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 08:02 PM   #595
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I like it as a regular tower, it it were a bit shorter I'd say go for it with an enthusiasm.

But as an iconic, the tallest one in midtown, it definitely is lackluster
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Old October 19th, 2011, 08:08 PM   #596
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Cladding can make a difference here. Perhaps we'll see a kind of towering, overgrown Apple cube...
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Old October 19th, 2011, 08:42 PM   #597
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I think this tower will look brilliant next to one57 and tower verre. It builds up from a simple tower, 440 park ave, to a slightly more complex building, one57, and finally Tower Verre.

Im not 100% these towers are near each other though.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 09:15 PM   #598
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mmh in dubais tallest block, they were at least so nice to put a crown on top of the sticks theyre building... not a fan of it for now.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 10:14 PM   #599
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I think this tower will look brilliant next to one57 and tower verre. It builds up from a simple tower, 440 park ave, to a slightly more complex building, one57, and finally Tower Verre.

Im not 100% these towers are near each other though.
440 is several blocks to the east of One57 and Torre Verre is also several blocks away from both.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 10:45 PM   #600
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Cladding can make a difference here. Perhaps we'll see a kind of towering, overgrown Apple cube...
Agreed. With such a simplistic design, it comes down to the facade. A cheap facade could turn this thing into a disaster, but a great facade, like we're seeing at the WTC and hopefully some nice details that the renders don't show, could make this sort of nice.

So I'm shocked that Kanto hasn't posted in here. Is it fair to say at this point that he saw the render, had a heart attack, and is now dead?
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