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Old July 10th, 2013, 01:34 AM   #7921
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the mechanical floors and residential terrace are suppose to be for an exclusive use of an apartment or the hole building?

i read the article and speaks about removable floors, does somebody know what is about?
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Old July 10th, 2013, 01:38 AM   #7922
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the mechanical floors and residential terrace are suppose to be for an exclusive use of an apartment or the hole building?

i read the article and speaks about removable floors, does somebody know what is about?
they removed certain floors to increase the vertical space (and asking price) available on other floors.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 01:38 AM   #7923
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If you think about all these luxury supertalls being built right now are like today's palaces.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 01:41 AM   #7924
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The only thing I don't like about them is that New York NEEDS more units and this kinda wastes that opportunity.. But at least they add to the skyline
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Old July 10th, 2013, 01:42 AM   #7925
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If you think about all these luxury supertalls being built right now are like today's palaces.
continuing the tradition of the wealthy investing in mansions along central park, with a modern twist; sheer height.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 04:57 AM   #7926
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The only thing I don't like about them is that New York NEEDS more units and this kinda wastes that opportunity.. But at least they add to the skyline
Like this would be the way to solve the housing shortage....there is no lack of multi-million dollar apartments, my friend.

Furthermore, most of these are being snapped up by foreigners with deep pockets and little intention of living there.... vertical banks, if you well.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 01:40 PM   #7927
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In addition, the plans reveal for the first time that the upper nine apartments — floors 85, 86, 88 and 91 through 96 — will have wood-burning (as well as gas) fireplaces, a rarity in new high-rise construction.
I've never seen that in a skyscraper before. So it will have a chimney on the roof?
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Old July 10th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #7928
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It could be embedded into the design anyway.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 02:50 PM   #7929
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Yeah, I just noticed in the big render... so the roof height will be ~1 floor lower than the total height.
Nope, roof height will be the same as pinnacle height because a parapet is a part of the roof and therefore counts into roof height
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Old July 10th, 2013, 02:54 PM   #7930
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Kanto you should always add In My Opinion. There is no organization that respects your definition of the roof. So don't confuse people

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Yeah, I just noticed in the big render... so the roof height will be ~1 floor lower than the total height.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 03:11 PM   #7931
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Wrong, there is no organization that respects any roof height at all. Roof height has no official comitee and no official definition because the CTBUH isn't using it.

Also, there is no opinion in what I stated. A parapet is a part of a roof, just as the top slab is, that's fact. Just because most lowrises (which are the vast majority of buildings on this planet) don't have parapets doesn't mean that they aren't part of a roof. That's like saying that a palm is a hand but fingers are not part of a hand. It's nonsense
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Old July 10th, 2013, 03:36 PM   #7932
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If no organization have roof definition that only means weight of your opinion is equal to mine, luci's or anyones opinion. It's only you're opinion against luci's so you can't say you are right and he's wrong.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 04:03 PM   #7933
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I miss the good ol' days when the CTBUH recognized roof heights and had had a category for the tallest buildings by roof heights. Also, buildings were officially ranked when they topped out, not when they finally completed, which made things much simpler. And that it was only 5 years ago!
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Old July 10th, 2013, 04:35 PM   #7934
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hey all. i was at my friends place last weekend and i could just barely make out the crane! here are two photos. it's really difficult to tell in my crappy iphone pictures but you could clearly see it in person. i can't wait to see it from this angle once it progresses a little more.

this is from 91st and Central Park West.




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Old July 10th, 2013, 07:06 PM   #7935
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If no organization have roof definition that only means weight of your opinion is equal to mine, luci's or anyones opinion. It's only you're opinion against luci's so you can't say you are right and he's wrong.
an organization's definition is also an opinion. CTBUH is no exception it shouldn't have any higher say than Kanto. It's just a private, non profit organization that has recognition by many of the world's architects despite its sometimes confusing rules for 'official' height.
edit: i deleted the rest of this post to avoid an inevitable shouting match.

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Old July 10th, 2013, 07:27 PM   #7936
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an organization's definition is also an opinion. CTBUH is no exception it shouldn't have any higher say than Kanto. It's just a private, non profit organization that has recognition by many of the world's architects despite its sometimes confusing rules for 'official' height.
edit: i deleted the rest of this post to avoid an inevitable shouting match.
I didn't even mentioned ctbuh anywhere. But as you said it's the recognition by majority of architectural world what gives their definitions respect. Kanto is just one guy with strange ideas, but he acts as he's rules are widely accepted by the architectural world while their not. As you say If it's all just about opinions his opinion has no higher say than luci's or mine but he act as if it would.
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I didn't even mentioned ctbuh anywhere. But as you said it's the recognition by majority of architectural world what gives their definitions respect. Kanto is just one guy with strange ideas, but he acts as he's rules are widely accepted by the architectural world while their not. As you say If it's all just about opinions his opinion has no higher say than luci's or mine but he act as if it would.
In case you slept for the last 5 years, the CTBUH has no definition of roof height because it is not using roof height, so don't hide behind something that doesn't exist
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Old July 10th, 2013, 08:35 PM   #7938
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hey all. i was at my friends place last weekend and i could just barely make out the crane! here are two photos. it's really difficult to tell in my crappy iphone pictures but you could clearly see it in person. i can't wait to see it from this angle once it progresses a little more.

this is from 91st and Central Park West.
There is also a crane halfway between 432 park and one 57. To which project does that belong?
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In case you slept for the last 5 years, the CTBUH has no definition of roof height because it is not using roof height, so don't hide behind something that doesn't exist
And??? How exactly this fact makes your ideas official? Or gives you right to correct others with authoritative tone?
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1st, I never used autoritative tone, I only kindly offered what I know from my research

2nd, I was merely trying to help by pointing out facts. It is a fact that a parapet is an extension of a roof and the majority of the community that specializes in height detemination accepts that. I mean, look at SSP, at least 98% of times they count a parapet to roof height, so that is the generally accepted definition
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