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Old July 23rd, 2013, 05:25 PM   #8081
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Have they removed the covering from any of the windows yet? In the past few pictures I could only spot ones that were covered. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.
Yes.. several windows on the third level were de-masked a month ago...the glass has beautiful blue green tint to it. You can see them from the 56 st camera lower left
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 05:52 PM   #8082
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I'm generally not a big fan of box shaped buildings either, we've got thousands of them from a few decades ago, but because this building is so thin I find the design to be quite striking and appealing and I like the appearance of the windows surrounded by concrete for the exterior. We see so many buildings that are completely covered with glass so this is a bit out of the ordinary. I can't wait until it rises above the neighboring buildings and we can really start to see it soar into the sky. The more I look at it the more I like it.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 08:40 PM   #8083
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Yes and No...
This was discussed to some degree several months ago...in looking at the plans the open windowless terraces on the two story mechanical floors ALTERNATE sides of the building...in looking at this in greater detail..it is now apparent that one side is windowless and the other side has RECESSED windows... Flush windows are identified as WW-1...recessed windows WW-2. For example on the 75-76 mechanical level, the windowless area is on the WEST side of the building but then on the next 2 story mechanical level, 86-87 (these exact floor number may have changed) the windowless terrace is on the EAST side of the building. In the drawings you can see that the windows labeled WW-2 are only on the mechanical floors and are more heavily shaded indicating they are recessed.
So each of the mechanical floors will be a combination of open windowless terrace on one side and WW-2 recessed windows on the other, alternating side of the building, east to west, with nine residential floors between each segment.
This is how I read the plans.
If I get a chance I will post illustration later.
do you think there will be a noticeable difference between the windowless area and the recessed windows on the mechanical floors?
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 10:35 PM   #8084
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Yes and No...
This was discussed to some degree several months ago...in looking at the plans the open windowless terraces on the two story mechanical floors ALTERNATE sides of the building...in looking at this in greater detail..it is now apparent that one side is windowless and the other side has RECESSED windows... Flush windows are identified as WW-1...recessed windows WW-2. For example on the 75-76 mechanical level, the windowless area is on the WEST side of the building but then on the next 2 story mechanical level, 86-87 (these exact floor number may have changed) the windowless terrace is on the EAST side of the building. In the drawings you can see that the windows labeled WW-2 are only on the mechanical floors and are more heavily shaded indicating they are recessed.
So each of the mechanical floors will be a combination of open windowless terrace on one side and WW-2 recessed windows on the other, alternating side of the building, east to west, with nine residential floors between each segment.
This is how I read the plans.
If I get a chance I will post illustration later.
Hmph, what's the purpose of this? I dunno, but wouldn't it be more aerodynamic to leave those drum doublefloors unclad from all 4 sides? I'm no expert, so this is a bit puzzling to me. If somebody knows more, plz explain
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 11:28 PM   #8085
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Hmph, what's the purpose of this? I dunno, but wouldn't it be more aerodynamic to leave those drum doublefloors unclad from all 4 sides? I'm no expert, so this is a bit puzzling to me. If somebody knows more, plz explain
Part of the mechanical floors are enclosed and part are open.

It must be that they don't need to be completely open in order to handle the wind load. Or perhaps no opening is needed at all other than to provide an open air terrace for residents.

To me it seems like more of an interesting aesthetic choice than an engineering oddity.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 12:30 AM   #8086
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Hmph, what's the purpose of this? I dunno, but wouldn't it be more aerodynamic to leave those drum doublefloors unclad from all 4 sides? I'm no expert, so this is a bit puzzling to me. If somebody knows more, plz explain
My wildest guess would be turbulence/vortexes 'inside' the building...
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Old July 24th, 2013, 01:54 AM   #8087
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Have they removed the covering from any of the windows yet? In the past few pictures I could only spot ones that were covered. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.
The ones on the bottom on the 56th street side are uncovered.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 02:18 AM   #8088
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Technically 432 Park Ave will be the tallest building in New York City because I honestly don't really count the crown or spire of 1WTC.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 03:19 AM   #8089
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u lucky man when get apartment here and especially in highest floor

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Old July 24th, 2013, 04:13 AM   #8090
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I can't wait until 432 Park, Verre, 225 W 57th, Hudson Yards, 107 W 57th, and other Midtown supertalls are added to this incredible video:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BBPrNUz...%3DBBPrNUzk1BA
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Old July 24th, 2013, 04:23 AM   #8091
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This was discussed to some degree several months ago...in looking at the plans the open windowless terraces on the two story mechanical floors ALTERNATE sides of the building...in looking at this in greater detail..it is now apparent that one side is windowless and the other side has RECESSED windows... Flush windows are identified as WW-1...recessed windows WW-2. For example on the 75-76 mechanical level, the windowless area is on the WEST side of the building but then on the next 2 story mechanical level, 86-87 (these exact floor number may have changed) the windowless terrace is on the EAST side of the building. In the drawings you can see that the windows labeled WW-2 are only on the mechanical floors and are more heavily shaded indicating they are recessed.
So each of the mechanical floors will be a combination of open windowless terrace on one side and WW-2 recessed windows on the other, alternating side of the building, east to west, with nine residential floors between each segment.
This is how I read the plans.
If I get a chance I will post illustration later.

I am not sure, but I think that drawing could be an older version.

The last renders they published (although they are not necessarily the absolute truth) clearly show the entire mechanichal floors windowless.

And I think that it makes more sense to have the entire space open to break wind vortex and decrease the wind load. (and frankly, just from the aesthetic point of view, I think it is much better to let the entire area windowless, showing the "drums" inside, and breaking the tower in sections, thing that won't be the same it they just let them partially windowless)

Another difference between the renders and that scheme, is that the drawing shows only 9 floors betwen the mechanical floors, while the renders show 12 floors.

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Old July 24th, 2013, 05:31 AM   #8092
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I am not sure, but I think that drawing could be an older version.

The last renders they published (although they are not necessarily the absolute truth) clearly show the entire mechanichal floors windowless.

And I think that it makes more sense to have the entire space open to break wind vortex and decrease the wind load. (and frankly, just from the aesthetic point of view, I think it is much better to let the entire area windowless, showing the "drums" inside, and breaking the tower in sections, thing that won't be the same it they just let them partially windowless)

Another difference between the renders and that scheme, is that the drawing shows only 9 floors betwen the mechanical floors, while the renders show 12 floors.


where did you find this rendering? i noticed that there are some horizontal and vertical lines in the center of the concrete columns but that isn't shown in the construction photos. are these renderings authentic?
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Old July 24th, 2013, 05:58 AM   #8093
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Old July 24th, 2013, 08:08 AM   #8094
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where did you find this rendering? i noticed that there are some horizontal and vertical lines in the center of the concrete columns but that isn't shown in the construction photos. are these renderings authentic?
Yes it is, it is a fraction of a much more larger rendering. As for the lines you mentioned, I don't know what they are, but they don't seem to be in the actual building, as you said.

It was published here some months ago. here's the link. (the original image published, which is very big, seems to be lost, the link That I provide is for another post with the same image, but in lower resolution) maybe later I'll post the high resolution image.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=7134


<a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/ed6175266951756" target="_blank"><img src="http://thumbnails108.imagebam.com/26696/ed6175266951756.jpg" alt="imagebam.com"></a>
And another image

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=7140


edit. I uploaded it here, click the thumbnail to get the high resolution image



http://www.imagebam.com/image/ed6175266951756

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Old July 24th, 2013, 01:55 PM   #8095
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With time, when today's glitzy, curvy and somehow tacky towers become outdated, 432 Park Avenue will remain elegant and classy. It's the essential skyscraper. Also,that's one of the reasons why the New York skyline ages so well (along with the Art Deco classics of course).
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Old July 25th, 2013, 04:26 AM   #8096
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where did you find this rendering? i noticed that there are some horizontal and vertical lines in the center of the concrete columns but that isn't shown in the construction photos. are these renderings authentic?
Its hard to believe they would have completely open floors. They'd have to worry about keeping them clean, about people having access to them, about objects falling from them, etc.

Moreover, where in that render does it show what was clearly seen in the last construction photos I posted, indented windows?
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Old July 25th, 2013, 09:24 AM   #8097
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A render from the 432 Park Avenue website .


This is probably the best picture of any skyline I've seen any where in the world, New York is truly the greatest city on earth. 432 is going to make a massive impact on NYC.

Congrats from Australia on a great photo and one hell of a skyscraper.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 06:06 PM   #8098
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Very nice of the people who did that render to include the finished One57 and full WTC complex. Now picture that same shot with the entire Hudson Yards, Manhattan West, Girasole, 1 Penn Plaza, 56 Leonard, 99 Church St., 225 W 57th and the rest of the 57th street towers, etc.

I don't think many on this forum have truly grasped the magnitude of NYC's evolving skyline.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 06:12 PM   #8099
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Can someone with the skills add all those other towers in that photo??? I know it's a tall order and that would be amazing.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #8100
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Its hard to believe they would have completely open floors. They'd have to worry about keeping them clean, about people having access to them, about objects falling from them, etc.


Moreover, where in that render does it show what was clearly seen in the last construction photos I posted, indented windows?
There are thousands of high rise open terraces in NYC. Nothing exceptional here, just more height.
A flower pot or chair that falls from 140 ft is going to do the same damage as one that falls from 1400.

I thought I described what I see in the drawings pretty well, just my interpretation. The elevation I posted is from official DOB filing. Of course things might have changed since this filing. In the absence of floor plans for the mechanical floors only time will tell if this is correct.
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