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Old July 30th, 2013, 08:16 PM   #8161
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"That's ra..." Naw, I won't do that!

If I owned a building, it'd look just like 450 Park...
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Old July 30th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #8162
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"That's ra..." Naw, I won't do that!
Puts a whole new perspective on the color of the cladding. Rafael Vinoly, secret racist.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #8163
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It depends, you have to differentiate vertical loads and horizontal loads...
Thanks for the clarification, CC! I guess I should have known as much, but I'm still learning about all these construction techniques.

I'd be interested to learn more about the engineering of this tower. Considering they're already pulling off a mighty feat with the height-to-width ratio, the size of the windows is extraordinary -- an added bonus.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 08:51 PM   #8164
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It's strong columns, big windows and lack of setback possess an art deco quality to them.
I can see the columns/windows reference, though those were hardly the defining elements of that design. I'd contest the setback tie, though: Most of the defining art deco skyscrapers celebrated the setback.
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And of course, its impact on the skyline is obvious, as it rises out of a mix of skyscrapers that are shorter than the rest of midtown.
Well in that sense the impact is a given regardless of design, and this doesn't imply the impact as being either good or bad. Maybe that's all the OP was referencing but I thought he felt the impact was discernably positive in part because of the design.

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Any news about the overall progress with the interior? With the introduction of windows have some of the lower floors been completely enclosed, yet? I'd be curious to see if the craftsmen for that phase of construction are having any difficulties a) with the design and b) keeping up with the pace of the more formidable framing and construction.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #8165
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As someone who couldn't disagree more would you mind explaining your thought a little further for me, please? I'd truly appreciate hearing how you reached those conclusions.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 09:26 PM   #8166
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Big black box being lifted on the highest floor of the building right now.
What could this be for?

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Old July 30th, 2013, 10:33 PM   #8167
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Maybe some mech floor equipment. An air cooling plant or an air filter or something like that, but that is just my guess
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Old July 30th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #8168
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Beginning to be seen!



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Old July 30th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #8169
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Good zoom, nice work.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 11:51 PM   #8170
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Thank you very much for these pics. They show exactly what I wanted to see, cause they allow for comparison to the 119m black building. I see that 432 Park is really shorter than what we believed. Somebody must have declared a core jump or two when one didn't happen. I will analyze these pics and tomorrow I'll try to determine at what height we truly might be now
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:56 AM   #8171
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That building is gonna be amazing.
Usually,supertalls are dominant and impressive but there is a lack of design.
In that case we speak about a masterpiece.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 01:19 AM   #8172
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I can see the columns/windows reference, though those were hardly the defining elements of that design. I'd contest the setback tie, though: Most of the defining art deco skyscrapers celebrated the setback.
Well in that sense the impact is a given regardless of design, and this doesn't imply the impact as being either good or bad. Maybe that's all the OP was referencing but I thought he felt the impact was discernably positive in part because of the design.

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Any news about the overall progress with the interior? With the introduction of windows have some of the lower floors been completely enclosed, yet? I'd be curious to see if the craftsmen for that phase of construction are having any difficulties a) with the design and b) keeping up with the pace of the more formidable framing and construction.
Most art deco skyscrapers had a "grandeur" thing going for them. Buildings like Burj Khalifa, Shangai Tower, Wilshire Grand, Lotte Tower, SWFC and even 1 WTC to an extent tend to slim as they near the top instead of using setbacks. This is a modern trend with skyscrapers and emphasizes a sense of streamlined efficiency over grandeur. Using centralized setbacks like art deco skyscrapers did create the aforementioned sense of "grandeur."

While you are right that 432 does not have setbacks whereas art deco did, I think if they had attempted something like it, they would've had to go for something similar to a "contemporary" setback like the Sears Tower which does not replicate an art deco setback. I think it's this straight up wall framed with thick columns that gives it a feel of dominance with nothing receding.

Kind of hard to describe to be honest.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 03:44 AM   #8173
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Beginning to be seen!

these pictures really weird me out. these guys had no idea they where being photographed from blocks away. makes you think, how many pictures did other people take of me without even knowing? well, anyway, nice pictures! keep it up.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 04:46 AM   #8174
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it will take more than two months to rise above the skyline !!!!
it's about guess!!
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Old July 31st, 2013, 09:44 AM   #8175
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Have they started to sell any units yet? And what are the prices? I've red somwhere in this thread i think that Fredrik from tv-show "million dollar listing new york" maybe was one of the brokers who is going to sell apartments in this building. Is there any truth in that rumour? And if so will i be able to see the building in the tv-show when completed? !!
Anybody who knows anything about this?
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Old July 31st, 2013, 03:44 PM   #8176
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I'm so impatient about this building! Anyone have any idea of its current height? (approx)
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Old July 31st, 2013, 04:17 PM   #8177
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That's what I'll measure later today. Then I'll have an exact figure for you
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Old July 31st, 2013, 04:50 PM   #8178
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I'm so impatient about this building! Anyone have any idea of its current height? (approx)
390 feet. 119 meters.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 05:00 PM   #8179
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That's what I expected as well, however form the recent photos it looks like we are 1 or 2 jumps below that number
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Old July 31st, 2013, 05:32 PM   #8180
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for simple-shaped building, why they not use prefabricated modular to construct it faster?
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